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Unfortunately the wider implications of things like this do nothing for women's rights. The Swiss tax system is on the whole very good and very fair, however in these matters it is not so good. There's a good reason why many couples i Switzerland decide against getting married.

One of the more serious indirect consequences is for women in abusive relationships, of which there are many. If your money is going into a separate account then it can mean leaving that relationship much harder. It's why all couples should keep separate accounts even if there's a joint one for paying bills etc.
Whoa....I think you are confused. If your money is going into a separate account it should be easier, not more difficult to leave.
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Old 13.01.2020, 20:48
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Probably a personal touch of a more creative border control officer?
US immigration are good at asking unpredictable and creative left-column questions.

I've never been asked anything in Switzerland going beyond the boring or obvious. Maybe I need to pick my queue more strategically.
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Old 13.01.2020, 20:52
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Unfortunately the wider implications of things like this do nothing for women's rights. The Swiss tax system is on the whole very good and very fair, however in these matters it is not so good. There's a good reason why many couples i Switzerland decide against getting married.
I gather CVP are introducing an initiative that will level the playing field.
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Whoa....I think you are confused. If your money is going into a separate account it should be easier, not more difficult to leave.
I meant separate from their own account. Iíve corrected now.
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Old 13.01.2020, 21:15
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Yes that can happen. One parent cannot easily travel with kids to non-EU destinations to prevent child abductions. Thatís not gender specific but certain destinations raise more worries than others.
Itís quite common these days for a lone parent travelling with kids to be asked to provide documentation signed by the other parent giving permission to travel with them. It is definitely not gender specific.
Some countries, Canada being one if them actually require it.

I was never asked for it and it would never even have occurred to me that I would need it but things have been tightened up since the days when I was travelling alone with a minor.
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If your money is going into a separate account from their own then it can mean leaving that relationship much harder. It's why all couples should keep separate accounts even if there's a joint one for paying bills etc.
I've adopted another approach. My wife has access to all my accounts and can clean me out. She's the only one of us with access to my business account (She handles all the admin). But after 30 years of marriage, we're kind of fond of each other, so I don't feel too unsafe.
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I've adopted another approach. My wife has access to all my accounts and can clean me out. She's the only one of us with access to my business account (She handles all the admin). But after 30 years of marriage, we're kind of fond of each other, so I don't feel too unsafe.
She just wants you to think you are safe.
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Itís quite common these days for a lone parent travelling with kids to be asked to provide documentation signed by the other parent giving permission to travel with them. It is definitely not gender specific.
Some countries, Canada being one if them actually require it.

I was never asked for it and it would never even have occurred to me that I would need it but things have been tightened up since the days when I was travelling alone with a minor.
If you have a Canadian pass and visit your home country departing from CH, are you still required to provide those permission papers though?
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Old 14.01.2020, 10:10
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If you have a Canadian pass and visit your home country departing from CH, are you still required to provide those permission papers though?
Yes you are. It applies to everyone.
I’m not sure whether you are actually legally obliged to have it but you will be making your life unnecessarily difficult if you don’t have one.

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpce...um=1022&top=16
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Yes you are. It applies to everyone.
I’m not sure whether you are actually legally obliged to have it but you will be making your life unnecessarily difficult if you don’t have one.

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpce...um=1022&top=16
One could try without the extra papers, but they can decide to refuse to let you pass the border/board the plane if they want since it is not certain to them that the other parent agrees. So yes, if they ask for it you either must show them the papers or face the consequences on your own costs, sounds like a legal requirement to me.
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Yes that can happen. One parent cannot easily travel with kids to non-EU destinations to prevent child abductions. That’s not gender specific but certain destinations raise more worries than others.
Not sure why that would matter coming back into the Switzerland - however, it would also be a perfectly reasonable request to ask where "the father" is...not the "breadwinner".
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If you have a Canadian pass and visit your home country departing from CH, are you still required to provide those permission papers though?
If you cross any border where-ever in the world, even when only wanting to go shopping in Germany for an hour they can ask for them.
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Not sure why that would matter coming back into the Switzerland - however, it would also be a perfectly reasonable request to ask where "the father" is...not the "breadwinner".
Curious to know what the context was, though. What did your friend answer and what was the border guard's response?

It sounds like something was lost in translation somewhere, to be honest.
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Oh, that signed paper from the other parent that you can indeed travel with the kid alone is not everything....sometimes you even have to carry ......


"Depending on the family situation it helps to carry the appropriate documents: custody order, divorce decree, death certificate, adoption certificate or others. The customs officers are always concerned with the protection of the child. Therefore, all documents that prove the family situation and custody duties are helpful to show the customs a complete picture.

In the case of separated couples, it is also recommended that you have an official supplement entered in the passport of the children which proves that you are entitled to custody. This is particularly useful in practice if you do not have the same surname as your children."


I had to do that when going to Turkey on holidays with my then minor of age offspring alone and just 3 months short of his 18th Birthday, my son went to a camp in France with the vocational school and we both had to hand the school a written and signed OK, that the kid was allowed to go to another country with the class.......
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Curious to know what the context was, though. What did your friend answer and what was the border guard's response?

It sounds like something was lost in translation somewhere, to be honest.
No, it wasn't - that is what he said. She answered that she was the breadwinner and that their Swiss father was in his own home. This was all communicated in fluent high German. Although the border guard switched to Swiss German eventually...she provided the necessary paperwork.

The paperwork is not the problem, it was the "breadwinner" statement.
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When non-EU citizens move to Switzerland with their husbands, when filing their taxes as a couple, the tax refund can only be administered into a bank account with both names or the husband's name only, even though the taxes paid and the refund consider her income...

Has anyone else experienced such gross disregard for human rights and equality?
Yes. Racism is a big problem in Switzerland
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Yes. Racism is a big problem in Switzerland
Not half as big as grumpy old expats.
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It'^s all very quaint thinking a paper signed by the other parent is required, but who can tell if the signature on the paper is really that of the other parent ?


Does the customs officer have any means of proving who's signature is on the paper ?


Times have moved on now, you can forge or cheat almost anything with a little intelligence, whether it works or not is a different question, but the chances are high it will work
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No, it wasn't - that is what he said. She answered that she was the breadwinner and that their Swiss father was in his own home. This was all communicated in fluent high German. Although the border guard switched to Swiss German eventually...she provided the necessary paperwork.

The paperwork is not the problem, it was the "breadwinner" statement.
He probably didn't get the memo that women are allowed to work, and even earn more than men. i.e. casual sexism rather than outright misogyny. He may have been from Kanton Congo, like DB. It was nice of your friend to try to educate him. Imagine if she were in a marriage with another woman - that would have made his mind explode.
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I don't know about passports, since I haven't got one, but when you get a new Swiss Identity card, your signature is recorded electronically and this database ( of citiziens with such a ID card) is accessible to border control as well.

Of course, forging a signature is always an option too......
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