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ldj 13.01.2020 16:29

gender inequality
 
When non-EU citizens move to Switzerland with their husbands, when filing their taxes as a couple, the tax refund can only be administered into a bank account with both names or the husband's name only, even though the taxes paid and the refund consider her income...

Has anyone else experienced such gross disregard for human rights and equality?

Guest 13.01.2020 16:33

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Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136605)
When non-EU citizens move to Switzerland with their husbands, when filing their taxes as a couple, the tax refund can only be administered into a bank account with both names or the husband's name only, even though the taxes paid and the refund consider her income...

Has anyone else experienced such gross disregard for human rights and equality?

Are you sure? My refund went into my account because that's the account detailed on the tax form (I'm a laydee ;)).

Treverus 13.01.2020 16:33

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Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136605)
When non-EU citizens move to Switzerland with their husbands, when filing their taxes as a couple, the tax refund can only be administered into a bank account with both names or the husband's name only, even though the taxes paid and the refund consider her income...

Has anyone else experienced such gross disregard for human rights and equality?

Thats not gender inequality: The tax gets refunded to the person who paid the tax no matter what gender this person has.

I know because I once followed my wife to another country, so I was as the male the dependent partnerÖ and experienced the same. I strongly believe in human rights and am really annoyed when idiots make everything an alleged human rights issue.

roegner 13.01.2020 16:39

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Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136605)

Has anyone else experienced such gross disregard for human rights and equality?


It is funny what some people consider to be a human right :-)


As long as you get the money back?

ldj 13.01.2020 17:00

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Definitely sure. I read the letter and was so confused. Why can he get the refund for my taxes paid without me but I cannot get the refund for my taxes paid without him?

I just imagine women who might be in an unsafe relationship. In situations like this, where the government recognizes him before her (regardless of the country she comes from), making her situation more precarious, and my heart is broken.

roegner 13.01.2020 17:03

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Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136621)
I just imagine women who might be in an unsafe relationship. In situations like this, where the government recognizes him before her (regardless of the country she comes from), making her situation more precarious, and my heart is broken.


Donīt let your psychology interfere with taxes.



There are lots of possibilities to handle this.

Guest 13.01.2020 17:05

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Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136621)
Definitely sure. I read the letter and was so confused. Why can he get the refund for my taxes paid without me but I cannot get the refund for my taxes paid without him?

I just imagine women who might be in an unsafe relationship. In situations like this, where the government recognizes him before her (regardless of the country she comes from), making her situation more precarious, and my heart is broken.

Do the tax authorities actually have your bank details (i.e. your own and not the joint or your husbands)? If they don't have the details then they'll only pay into the bank details they have on file.

Are you taxed at source or do you file your own taxes?

If I were you, I'd check with them and get the full story.

NotAllThere 13.01.2020 17:16

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Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136605)
Has anyone else experienced such gross disregard for human rights and equality?

No. I mean, it's practically out of The Handmaid's Tale. Or ISIS ideology.

If I were you, I'd start a citizen's initiative immediately to get this appalling inequality dealt with. It's only the thin end of the wedge!

ldj 13.01.2020 17:22

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Thank you sandgrounder and notallthere

We listed our joint account, only, when we filed jointly (not taxed at source).
And the letter that was confirming the refund inquired where we would like the refund to go, and stated that the refund could only go into a joint account or his.

I will follow up to see what the issue is with paying into my account, if nothing else to make noise. Thank you for validating my confusion and encouraging I follow up.

Treverus 13.01.2020 17:39

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Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136630)
Thank you sandgrounder and notallthere

Did you take your irony supplements today?

st2lemans 13.01.2020 17:56

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Get divorced, then you can file separately. ;)

Tom

Susie-Q 13.01.2020 17:57

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Itís normal & anybody who says differently isnít paying attention or in support of it.

I was recently traveling with a colleague and her two children. Border control at Zurich Airport asked her point blank where the breadwinner of the family was. Never mind that they are divorced and he is unemployed...

Guest 13.01.2020 18:06

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3136644)
Itís normal & anybody who says differently isnít paying attention or in support of it.

I was recently traveling with a colleague and her two children. Border control at Zurich Airport asked her point blank where the breadwinner of the family was. Never mind that they are divorced and he is unemployed...

Why did they ask that? They normally just look at my passport then wave me through. :confused:

bowlie 13.01.2020 18:30

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I’m pretty certain they don’t do this in VD. (Taxes are a cantonal matter) There is a place on the return where you give your bank details which can be anybody.

curley 13.01.2020 18:32

Re: gender inequality
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ldj (Post 3136605)
When non-EU citizens move to Switzerland with their husbands, when filing their taxes as a couple, the tax refund can only be administered into a bank account with both names or the husband's name only, even though the taxes paid and the refund consider her income...

Has anyone else experienced such gross disregard for human rights and equality?

A case for amnesty international!
I'm sure nobody has ever suffered worse disregard for human rights.world-wide!

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Why did they ask that? They normally just look at my passport then wave me through. :confused:
They more likely asked for the father of the children as you can't drag children across borders without the consent of both parents anymore.
(Probably to balance other equality right breaches in this country. :D)

Treverus 13.01.2020 18:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3136644)
Itís normal & anybody who says differently isnít paying attention or in support of it.

I was recently traveling with a colleague and her two children. Border control at Zurich Airport asked her point blank where the breadwinner of the family was. Never mind that they are divorced and he is unemployed...

Yes that can happen. One parent cannot easily travel with kids to non-EU destinations to prevent child abductions. Thatís not gender specific but certain destinations raise more worries than others.

greenmount 13.01.2020 18:58

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Originally Posted by Susie-Q (Post 3136644)
It’s normal & anybody who says differently isn’t paying attention or in support of it.

I was recently traveling with a colleague and her two children. Border control at Zurich Airport asked her point blank where the breadwinner of the family was. Never mind that they are divorced and he is unemployed...


That is certainly unpleasant. And weird. It never happened to me and I didn't hear anyone else complaining of such absurdity.

As for the joint tax declaration is more practical IMO.

Guest 13.01.2020 19:02

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3136654)


They more likely asked for the father of the children as you can't drag children across borders without the consent of both parents anymore.
(Probably to balance other equality right breaches in this country. :D)

I get that and know divorced parents can be asked, but itís usually a permission thing. Itís just an odd thing to ask where the Ďbreadwinnerí is.

greenmount 13.01.2020 19:07

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I get that and know divorced parents can be asked, but it’s usually a permission thing. It’s just an odd thing to ask where the ‘breadwinner’ is.
Probably a personal touch of a more creative border control officer? :D

TonyClifton 13.01.2020 19:13

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Unfortunately the wider implications of things like this do nothing for women's rights. The Swiss tax system is on the whole very good and very fair, however in these matters it is not so good. There's a good reason why many couples i Switzerland decide against getting married.

One of the more serious indirect consequences is for women in abusive relationships, of which there are many. If your money is going into a separate account from their own then it can mean leaving that relationship much harder. It's why all couples should keep separate accounts even if there's a joint one for paying bills etc.


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