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Does tourism enhance the local economy? I've heard Chinese and Indian groups don't buy much although, to be fair, I don't buy a lot when I go travelling either. They fill the hotels, take pictures, buy a bit of food and then off they go to their next destination.
The problem with this thread is that it is full of uninformed opinion, not facts. Here they are: Chinese tourists spend on average 330 CHF per day in CH which is way over the the average of other tourists.
https://www.travelnews.ch/destinatio...e-schweiz.html

The article is two years old and highlights how important Asian guests are for Swiss tourisms outside the skiing months as many other traditional tourists stay away as the CHF is too strong.
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The problem with this thread is that it is full of uninformed opinion, not facts. Here they are: Chinese tourists spend on average 330 CHF per day in CH which is way over the the average of other tourists.
https://www.travelnews.ch/destinatio...e-schweiz.html

The article is two years old and highlights how important Asian guests are for Swiss tourisms outside the skiing months as many other traditional tourists stay away as the CHF is too strong.
Well they have to spend a lot in one day, since the next day they leave again, other tourists on average bring much more money per visit. It's just that there are so many Chinese coming. (I'd wish that some would stay and give us more proper Chinese restaurants)
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The problem with this thread is that it is full of uninformed opinion, not facts. Here they are: Chinese tourists spend on average 330 CHF per day in CH which is way over the the average of other tourists.
https://www.travelnews.ch/destinatio...e-schweiz.html

The article is two years old and highlights how important Asian guests are for Swiss tourisms outside the skiing months as many other traditional tourists stay away as the CHF is too strong.
But most of that money spent is concentrated on watches and jewelery, they don't spend much on local businesses or eateries:

Chinesischer Tourismus in der Schweiz: Nur wenige profitieren
https://dievolkswirtschaft.ch/de/201...tler-1-2-2019/
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I've seen signs telling tourists to go home in St. Sebastian. Barcelona has made it public that they've had enough of mass tourism. Dealing with hoardes of tourists has become a problem.

In my area, there has been talk about limiting the amount of people taking the Rigibahn up to the Rigi as it seems many trains are full. The Chinese tourist companies have excellent deals with the Rigi Bahn, which bothers many locals.

I have no answers but I'm all for a hearty discussion.
Re. Barcelona there are opinions and.....opinions, like with everything else you know. Been there myself relatively recently and I felt welcome. But that's not important. According to some surveys the vast majority of locals see the tourism as a positive thing because it's one of the most (if not the most) important source of income for the city. What they are unhappy with is low-cost flights, popularisation of home-sharing platforms such as AirBnB etc. Landlords are seeing an opportunity to gain much more as they would for renting to local tenants. This is leading to a shortage of housing for those who live and work there and is driving up rents. Entire buildings are being bought with the sole scope of renting them out to tourists. Families who lived for generations in certain areas have to move.
Now, some people are tempted to blame the tourists, all the tourists, but most would just agree tourism should be more regulated.
And btw, some things, especially these sort of things, are not gonna be solved by talking "heartily" on the internet. Even if the problems are real..to a certain degree or another. However, I'm sure the OP's concerns are genuine.

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Old 26.01.2020, 11:33
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Hmmm - well this is interesting, all group tours stopped from China due to the virus, still doesn’t stop over tourism:

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen...tm_name=iossmf
Finally I can go shopping at the coop again.
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But most of that money spent is concentrated on watches and jewelery, they don't spend much on local businesses or eateries.
Right. But how does one encourage somebody to like a (really pricey) grilled sausage?
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Right. But how does one encourage somebody to like a (really pricey) grilled sausage?
Not going to happen.

Assuming those large groups are the average working class, and median salary is around 11.500 Chf, those sausages are just an incredible amount of money. I suspect most people already know exactly what they are going to buy even before they leave China.
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Right. But how does one encourage somebody to like a (really pricey) grilled sausage?
Who wants to be encouraged to like this shit!
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Right. But how does one encourage somebody to like a (really pricey) grilled sausage?
Same way you encourage someone to buy overpriced watches and jewellery? Fundamentally it’s the same thing.
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Right. But how does one encourage somebody to like a (really pricey) grilled sausage?
By sending them to Bellevue, Zurich.
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Re: Chinese tourist invasion

I'd prefer Cabaret Voltaire but I am not sure if that would entice the masses.
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Why on earth would you assume that? How many working class people anywhere go for a transcontinental holiday spending 12 days salary in a day somewhere?
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Why on earth would you assume that? How many working class people anywhere go for a transcontinental holiday spending 12 days salary in a day somewhere?
I think in some cases, whole companies in China organise such holidays. They are able to maximise discounts and the places are subsidised. I think it was described in the Tages Anzeiger a while back when there was a particularly large number of groups coming to Europe with Switzerland on the tour list. I’ll try to find the article when I’ve got my google-head on.

EDIT: something like this... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-32677965
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That was what happened in Lucerne last year, a company goodie
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Why on earth would you assume that? How many working class people anywhere go for a transcontinental holiday spending 12 days salary in a day somewhere?
The topic was about those huge groups, and those groups are people who either won a contest, sold enough "Tupperware" or have a boss who takes his employees on a trip as a thank you. Sound to me like the average working class.

Unless you believe that rich people like to flock in hordes of 4.000 people while being rushed be a schedule with hardly any freedom at all.
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That was what happened in Lucerne last year, a company goodie
Just trying to imagine my company organising something like that.

Nope...


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Re: Chinese tourist invasion

Thing is, that 10k or 12k average yearly salary isn't really an average salary like we think of it in Switzerland, where indeed most people will earn "roughly" around 60k-120k, ie a relatively small band of just x2.

In China you still have the poor farmers/countryside people who earn much less (imaging maybe 2k or 3k per year) and making up about half of the population, while in cities, people indeed do (mostly) earn some 6-10k in a regular job - but there are plenty of people who earn much more (to make an average 10-12k, you can imagine how much more people)

A relatively decent job will earn you about 30k - and your expenses will be much less than what you experience on cost of living in Switzerland. So from those 30k, it's entirely possible to have a decent lifestyle and still 15k per year to spend freely. And you'll have several 100 million people having such jobs or closing up to have such jobs, already.

A trip to Europe isn't that much - 1 month salary all inclusive for a 10-days trip at most - leaving plenty more to spend. And now even available for people just having reached middle class incomes.
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The topic was about those huge groups, and those groups are people who either won a contest, sold enough "Tupperware" or have a boss who takes his employees on a trip as a thank you. Sound to me like the average working class.

Unless you believe that rich people like to flock in hordes of 4.000 people while being rushed be a schedule with hardly any freedom at all.
It was about groups getting bussed in, no mention of poor or rich.

Incidentally, there is a demographic between working class and rich - what is it again, hmm. Oh well, China has a huge and quickly expanding one anyway - these are the people that can afford to travel outside of the country.

Even the European ones go on group holidays.
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Next question: are there any groups of tourists that are not annoying?
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Re: Chinese tourist invasion

Much depends on what sort of tour groups they are. There are the 'serious tourists' who spend several days here, even a week or two, staying in hotels and spending plenty of money. Then there are the day trippers. When I was in India a few years ago, I got talking to some Americans at the Taj Mahal who told me they were on a 10 day tour to take in 8 countries and the world's greatest tourist attractions. Can't remember them all but apart from the Taj, there was the Great Wall of China, Rio de Janeiro, the Eiffel Tower and Coliseum in Rome. I think it's this sort of crazy checklist tourism that the OP is complaining about.

I've not read the whole thread but someone may have mentioned Venice, where the cruise ships dump tens of thousands of passengers every day -- not to mention the hundreds of thousands of day trippers arriving by other means. These people don't stay overnight, apart from those who sleep on their ship. The Venetians have finally started to rebel. I'm not aware of Switzerland having a problem on this scale but maybe things are getting worse.
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