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I've never chosen a place to eat based on a hotel star rating.

You have to be wary of Michelin too. The Normal star system they use is fine but they also use a local system based on local guides who could rate a place well because it cooks the dishes well that they like to eat. The problem with this is that it doesn't take into account the tastes and palate of the local guides.
For clarification, I meant Michelin Stars, not hotel stars - as you mention before, that's not really much of a guide to anything food wise.
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Old 27.01.2020, 15:13
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If you think the Chinese are bad, don't get me started with the goddamn Californians who invade Park City every January for Sundance. That's a real shit show for us locals!

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Old 27.01.2020, 15:15
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For clarification, I meant Michelin Stars, not hotel stars - as you mention before, that's not really much of a guide to anything food wise.
Today Only was definitely referring to the hotel star system - which, incidentally is not the same for every country.
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If you think the Chinese are bad, don't get me started with the goddamn Californians who invade Park City every January for Sundance. That's a real shit show for us locals!

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Yeah, but those Californians act differently when they're in Switzerland.
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You can easily put an induction stove in a suitcase.

There's the bathroom basin for washing up. You can cook quite a complex Indian meal on a one-ring induction stove. I've done it (but not in a hotel room).
When I was a kid, my parents used to travel with a gas camping stove. Eating out every night would have blown their budget. Hotels were pretty strict about it at the time (any form of cooking strictly verboten) so they always took care to cook stuff that you couldn't smell, plus of course taking every little bit of rubbish and leftover with them. Which also meant the food was typically quite bland and nondescript.

Which i guess is maybe why I devleoped an aversion to the entire conecpt of cooking in a hotel room.
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Old 27.01.2020, 15:23
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For clarification, I meant Michelin Stars, not hotel stars - as you mention before, that's not really much of a guide to anything food wise.
I don't think I have ever stayed in a hotel that had even a single Michelin star.
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Old 27.01.2020, 15:29
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In my area, there has been talk about limiting the amount of people taking the Rigibahn up to the Rigi as it seems many trains are full. The Chinese tourist companies have excellent deals with the Rigi Bahn, which bothers many locals.

I have no answers but I'm all for a hearty discussion.
I made two independent trips to Rigi Kulm in December, and only 3 days apart. The first trip on Rigi Bahn was full of an Italian tour group. The second was a Chinese tour group. The Italian group were lively and fun to be with. On the second occasion, the tour leader told us "You cannot sit here. This is reserved" and tried to wave us off the train. One of the guards saw this, shook his head and opened a two seat area right at the back of the carriage for us. We had the best views for the ascent and the vacant seats in the main carriage weren't filled. I can see how locals would be put off by that behaviour.
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I don't think I have ever stayed in a hotel that had even a single Michelin star.
Mostly because Michelin stars are for restaurants and not hotels… and the maximum is three.


(so you can only stay at a hotel that has a star for its restaurant, which gives an indication of the food, not the room or hotel facilities).
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Today Only was definitely referring to the hotel star system - which, incidentally is not the same for every country.
I assumed you meant Michelin Stars when you wrote this, as I've never really heard of anyone boasting about eating in a restaurant of an "x" star hotel...

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For me the quality of the food is more important than the number of stars unlike those people who are more concerned with how many stars it has so they can bore their friends and colleagues with how important they think they are (ring any bells Today only?)
Maybe not though, if you meant hotel stars, odd, but OK, my bad.

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I don't think I have ever stayed in a hotel that had even a single Michelin star.
Not sure if you are being snarky or genuine here. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and say there are some wonderful places in CH - a good example is this place - amazing for a weekend break...

https://7132.com/en/hotels
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When I was a kid, my parents used to travel with a gas camping stove. Eating out every night would have blown their budget. Hotels were pretty strict about it at the time (any form of cooking strictly verboten) so they always took care to cook stuff that you couldn't smell, plus of course taking every little bit of rubbish and leftover with them. Which also meant the food was typically quite bland and nondescript.

Which i guess is maybe why I devleoped an aversion to the entire conecpt of cooking in a hotel room.
With a family, when we visit cities we tend to stay in AirBnB places with a kitchen.

We used to stay in hotels - which are quite often cheaper but too many times we ended up with two rooms for the family at separate ends of the hotel or once, on different floors in different parts of the hotel.

Also, we found that quite often, after looking around all day, the kids just didn't want to go back out to eat in the evening so we tend to eat out at lunchtime and have something back at the accommodation in the evening - stuff from a deli and a bottle of wine. It's great then to have a kitchen and a dishwasher.

AirBnB places are necessarily cheaper than hotel rooms but you quite often get a lot more room.
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Re: Chinese tourist invasion

https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/...p/77056/page/2

Interesting conversation on smelly cooking in air-bnbs.
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https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/...p/77056/page/2

Interesting conversation on smelly cooking in air-bnbs.
Airbnb, not a hotel.

One fella complaining about guests frying onions, wow. I wonder if puts up signs suggesting guests hold in their farts.
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Airbnb, not a hotel.

One fella complaining about guests frying onions, wow. I wonder if puts up signs suggesting guests hold in their farts.
StirB... it's about smelly cooking abroad. Here's a link on how to cook in your hotel rooms, including how to bring a hot plate and pan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGiisnIg5EA
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StirB... it's about smelly cooking abroad. Here's a link on how to cook in your hotel rooms, including how to bring a hot plate and pan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGiisnIg5EA
I believe your claim was that lots of hotels didn't want Indians staying.

Not AirBNBs.

This was my point.
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I believe your claim was that lots of hotels didn't want Indians staying.

Not AirBNBs.

This was my point.
You obviously didn't watch the second video. I also claimed that hotels didn't want Indians staying because of the cooking issue.

Don't stir my words.
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StirB... it's about smelly cooking abroad. Here's a link on how to cook in your hotel rooms, including how to bring a hot plate and pan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGiisnIg5EA
Why do you need a hot plate and a pan when there is a water cooker?
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I don't think I have ever stayed in a hotel that had even a single Michelin star.
I have. Although technically the restaurant had the star. Amazing food, sublime hotel.
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I've not read the whole thread but someone may have mentioned Venice, where the cruise ships dump tens of thousands of passengers every day -- not to mention the hundreds of thousands of day trippers arriving by other means. These people don't stay overnight, apart from those who sleep on their ship. The Venetians have finally started to rebel. I'm not aware of Switzerland having a problem on this scale but maybe things are getting worse.
My cousin lives on Sint Maarten in the Caribbean. Her daily life is dictated by staying out of the town centre for the several hours that the cruise ships are in port, and the main 'tourist attraction' thanks to social media, is clinging to the fence at the end of the runway when planes are taking off.
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For you we have exquisite trips to Chernobyl and Wuhan......
https://lupinetravel.co.uk/chernobyl...ays-and-tours/

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You should really look at understanding the hotel star rating system.

It's mainly based on facilities such as lifts, gyms, restaurants, spas etc and not the quality of the food.
Very true.
I've known a few hotel revenue managers who've had to make the 'brave' decision to convert their swimming pools into extra conference facilities because of a change in the local market forces (often caused by a company relocation) and having to refuse numerous booking requests for meeting rooms and conferences. It means they lose a star from their rating, but can balance it out by maximising that revenue stream, including maximising their F&B revenue, and doing a soft refurb.
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Btw, I see nobody addressed the issue of hotel rooms having kitchens.

I don't think I've even ever been in a hotel room with a microwave. Airbnb for sure, but never a hotel room.


Beach Hotel Zandvoort Netherlands, And I've seen more.
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Why do you need a hot plate and a pan when there is a water cooker?
That's for washing your pants and socks.
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