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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

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I'd like to complain about a multiple dirty profiteering tactics played by grocery chains....
  1. Wrong product placement - At Coop, I frequently observe more expensive products being placed "by mistake" at wrong shelves of cheaper products.
Frequently? How many times have you been shopping since 17 March?
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Frequently? How many times have you been shopping since 17 March?
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Come on! I just bought toilet paper at Migros with 40% discount. Where else this could be possible?
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Old 03.04.2020, 08:56
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Supply chain must be really messed up right now so some price rises will be inevitable..

However, many places will be making a killing right now, people (me included) are buying loads of extra stuff, from office supplies, electronics, home improvements etc.. People have suddenly got spare time and shopping online, I just need to look at the van of my postie, it's bulging everyday.

Christmas has come early for many businesses just as others are collapsing.
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

My Migros and Coop loyalty cards work fine.
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Don't worry! It will get much better when the lay-offs start towards the end of summer
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Plus Spain is one of the hardest hit countries. I'm surprised they can still harvest/send enough food for us to complain about
The virus itself isn't the problem. It's the absence of cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe to pick it that is the issue.

OK, the lockdown is due to the virus. But it's not illness itself that is causing the direct problem, rather that the labour can no longer travel. Seems the locals (be that in Spain, GB, Switzerland...) are none too willing to work for the wages offered.
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

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Supply chain must be really messed up right now so some price rises will be inevitable..

However, many places will be making a killing right now, people (me included) are buying loads of extra stuff, from office supplies, electronics, home improvements etc.. People have suddenly got spare time and shopping online, I just need to look at the van of my postie, it's bulging everyday.

Christmas has come early for many businesses just as others are collapsing.
Yep, there was a nice article earlier this year on swiss pricing https://lenews.ch/2020/01/08/switzer...ns-most-think/ showing that in the main, they do just rack up pricing for profit and don't give a toss about the consumer.

Supply chains are still open and the supermarkets said just a few weeks ago they have enough food for at least the next four months. They are upping prices to increase their profit margin at the consumers expense, because they are businesses and that's what businesses do Im afraid. the only way to stop it is state intervention on pricing which isn't going to happen here except for critical items as mentioned previously.

The whole "be glad your getting food" line is just ridiculous and an example of where Switzerland has to wake up. It is not a privelege to go to a swiss supermarket, or ski lift or wherever. They are ruthless businesses just like everywhere else and do not care about their consumer, they care about their consumers disposable income.
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Supply chain must be really messed up right now so some price rises will be inevitable..

However, many places will be making a killing right now, people (me included) are buying loads of extra stuff, from office supplies, electronics, home improvements etc.. People have suddenly got spare time and shopping online, I just need to look at the van of my postie, it's bulging everyday.

Christmas has come early for many businesses just as others are collapsing.

Yep, all good for certain businesses in the very short term whilst they still have stock. What happens when that stock is sold out and they cannot easily replenish. How much come from China etc, either components or finished products. How many factories manufacturing non-essential goods are closed worldwide. How more expensive will logistics to get goods from A to B become. How much more expensive components

Even if they can replenish stocks this level of demand will not be sustained. If people are buying as if it is Christmas now, what demand will there be in 3 to 6 months.
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Old 03.04.2020, 09:53
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It's the absence of cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe to pick it that is the issue.
Damn! It's those nasty Eastern Europeans to blame all over again! It's vital we start to identify the ones to blame for the coming meltdown and the Eastern Europeans are always a good place to start.
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Damn! It's those nasty Eastern Europeans to blame all over again! It's vital we start to identify the ones to blame for the coming meltdown and the Eastern Europeans are always a good place to start.
What, it is not Trump?

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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Contrary to OP, I've not seen price gouging to be happening. Got nice deals on Cherry Tomatoes, minced meat, vegetables.

Some items might not be on sale, but it's not like they've increased prices. And for storing items at the wrong place in the store, I suppose this could happen if a product is completely sold out and the staff just stocks in a rush. Let's be honest, they have MUCH more to do recently. I do miss the times when products were having their price tagged on each of them, though!

I always use the self checkout, and if a product is more expensive as it should be (and yes, that happens now and happened before), it stays in the store. Or, if I'm 100% sure that the price tag at the shelf was lower than what the cashier machine wants, I'll lodge a complaint. Did so in the past, doing so right now.
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

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The virus itself isn't the problem. It's the absence of cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe to pick it that is the issue.

OK, the lockdown is due to the virus. But it's not illness itself that is causing the direct problem, rather that the labour can no longer travel. Seems the locals (be that in Spain, GB, Switzerland...) are none too willing to work for the wages offered.
Do any of you know if there is any kind of coordinated effort to match people who would be willing to help bring in harvests with farms in need?

Sure, in normal times it's hard to motivate folks here in Switzerland to do outdoor manual work - but these are not normal times. There might be more people willing to help now, especially teens and young adults who have been cooped up for several weeks. They might welcome a chance to get outside and make a valuable contribution.

But I haven't seen any sort of official call for this. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places? Or maybe the need isn't so great in Switzerland because we import so much of our food?
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Yep, there was a nice article earlier this year on swiss pricing https://lenews.ch/2020/01/08/switzer...ns-most-think/ showing that in the main, they do just rack up pricing for profit and don't give a toss about the consumer.

Supply chains are still open and the supermarkets said just a few weeks ago they have enough food for at least the next four months. They are upping prices to increase their profit margin at the consumers expense, because they are businesses and that's what businesses do Im afraid. the only way to stop it is state intervention on pricing which isn't going to happen here except for critical items as mentioned previously.

The whole "be glad your getting food" line is just ridiculous and an example of where Switzerland has to wake up. It is not a privelege to go to a swiss supermarket, or ski lift or wherever. They are ruthless businesses just like everywhere else and do not care about their consumer, they care about their consumers disposable income.
Canned tomatoes can be stored 4 months a more. Fresh tomatoes need to be harvested, packed, transported and sold to the consumer within a few weeks.

In some sense it is a "privilege" to go to the supermarket and getting food without great effort. I'm here typing from my flat, coffee in hand, producing documents while staying away from everyone. Meanwhile Migros, Coop and other food retailer's employees are busy replenishing the shelves while being in contact with everyone. Truck drivers drive across countries exposing themselves to contagion. Agricultural workers are doing literal back-breaking work to ensure my fresh tomatoes are there.

Sure, privilege is not the right term, there should be more appropriate. Anyway, my comfort relies on the hard work of others while I shelter myself at home, how do you like to call it?
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Damn! It's those nasty Eastern Europeans to blame all over again! It's vital we start to identify the ones to blame for the coming meltdown and the Eastern Europeans are always a good place to start.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylin.../#5506e6c1363c

UK farmers complain about same issues... no longer ( cheap ) workers from Eastern Europe... but where are all Brexit voters , who said that immigrants will take their jobs ? on a big farm field, you can still work and keep safe distance..

Spain/ Italy /Uk ..all had plenty of "cheap" , underpaid, EE workers ..
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What, it is not Trump?

EEs have been rescued by their special government fleets about 3wks ago.
This time it's all very well synced. Trump blamed China, now EF is blaming Eastern Europe. The secret to success is knowing whom to blame and all seems good so far
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Do any of you know if there is any kind of coordinated effort to match people who would be willing to help bring in harvests with farms in need?

Sure, in normal times it's hard to motivate folks here in Switzerland to do outdoor manual work - but these are not normal times. There might be more people willing to help now, especially teens and young adults who have been cooped up for several weeks. They might welcome a chance to get outside and make a valuable contribution.

But I haven't seen any sort of official call for this. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places? Or maybe the need isn't so great in Switzerland because we import so much of our food?
If anybody sees anything along these lines please post it. I know people on Kurzarbeit who would be happy to spend a day doing some manual labour for a change of scenery. Myself included.
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Supply chain must be really messed up right now so some price rises will be inevitable..

However, many places will be making a killing right now, people (me included) are buying loads of extra stuff, from office supplies, electronics, home improvements etc.. People have suddenly got spare time and shopping online, I just need to look at the van of my postie, it's bulging everyday.

Christmas has come early for many businesses just as others are collapsing.
So we're facing a lot of private bankruptcy cases as well, probably.

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The virus itself isn't the problem. It's the absence of cheap seasonal labour from Eastern Europe to pick it that is the issue.

OK, the lockdown is due to the virus. But it's not illness itself that is causing the direct problem, rather that the labour can no longer travel. Seems the locals (be that in Spain, GB, Switzerland...) are none too willing to work for the wages offered.
It is. I saw a report the other day as asparagus harvesting is a huge problem and they will have to give up/let rot a big part of it. Some Polish workers who come every year came early this year. The farmers do have offers from Swiss helpers but they say that a person not used to this won't last a day. This work is on your knees all day, digging every single asparagus out.
One farmer said that he offered people to come and try it for two days - paid of course - and decide then whether they can handle it really.

I normally eat the Peruvian ones (I'm allowed to do that, supporting my second home country) but this year I will get Swiss ones, considering they can only sell about half of what's growing on their fields.

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Contrary to OP, I've not seen price gouging to be happening. Got nice deals on Cherry Tomatoes, minced meat, vegetables.

Some items might not be on sale, but it's not like they've increased prices. And for storing items at the wrong place in the store, I suppose this could happen if a product is completely sold out and the staff just stocks in a rush. Let's be honest, they have MUCH more to do recently. I do miss the times when products were having their price tagged on each of them, though!

I always use the self checkout, and if a product is more expensive as it should be (and yes, that happens now and happened before), it stays in the store. Or, if I'm 100% sure that the price tag at the shelf was lower than what the cashier machine wants, I'll lodge a complaint. Did so in the past, doing so right now.
Actually I was surprised how much is still on sale. As to price raise, I did not notice any of that.

I gave up on self-checkout for exactly the reasons you mentioned. Coop is great at putting a different price on the shelves (I'm talking normal times) and I will not put up a complaint or two every single time I go shopping. After all, I'm doing part of the calculated work at the same price as when I say hi to the fun ladies at the check-out at my coop.
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If anybody sees anything along these lines please post it. I know people on Kurzarbeit who would be happy to spend a day doing some manual labour for a change of scenery. Myself included.
I think Spargelland Flaach was on that report.
Don't remember if it was them offering the trial days. Always worth getting in touch though.

"A day" will not be of help for them really, I suspect. It's not a fun project, they will have to teach you and you better not break (easily done) these delicate veggies.
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Just had a chat over the fence with neighbour who works at our local border.

Cars from CH are allowed through to go to France- and are often stopped at the French border and asked to turn back. CH border is now manned 24/7 including nights but French border not manned all the time. Some CH people have therefore been allowed to cross and some go shopping. On return, they are all stopped at CH border and checked- anyone with any shopping is fined 100.-
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