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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Plus the pandemic situation makes using the self-checkout terminals more attractive. These all handle addition of loyalty points.

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My Migros and Coop loyalty cards work fine.
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This time it's all very well synced. Trump blamed China, now EF is blaming Eastern Europe. The secret to success is knowing whom to blame and all seems good so far
No one is blaming East Europe or Eastern Europeans. The point is that they can’t travel due to restrictions. If anything, their true value is recognised at times like this.
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No one is blaming East Europe or Eastern Europeans. The point is that they can’t travel due to restrictions. If anything, their true value is recognised at times like this.
I think first and foremost I would recognise the fact that their doctors and nurses are taking care of other patients now, applying what they learned at the expense of other countries than the ones that benefit now. My country (and gaburko's and MC' countries) has haemorrhaged a lot of medical staff even way before joining EU. And now you can feel it. Back home doctors will have to do the work of other people too.

We're all here in CH to fill some sort of gap on the labour market. I wonder does anyone appreciate our value? Because the anti-immigration rhetoric is cheap and you can see how stupid it was and it is. Now back to our problem, even in CH farmers don't have enough labour and work 10 times more these days. Gov is asking people who're able to fill the gaps, of course that will come at a price. It was all predictable from the start imo.
It's not only about restrictions, it's also about people being afraid they might get infected. What was supposed to be a (relatively) profitable temporary employment after which people can build something back home, might end up very badly these days. Who is taking the risk? How about employers, are they able to ensure people are protected ? Don't believe people don't ask themselves these questions. Those who worked in agriculture/food industry abroad rushed home because they felt more protected there. Hospitals will have to take them in too, health care is free where I come from. So is education.

So yes, production of food will become more important now, and some things will have their true value. Like freedom of movement. People always had value, they don't need any recognition. And the anti-EE rhetoric really has to stop. Like right now. Or yesterday. We're too many in various fields of activity not to be "recognised". We're contributing enormously to a Europe which we consider ours too. Ten years ago I would have laughed at the idea of having to write these things on a forum like this, but Europe has become a very curious place lately.

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If you live in Neuchatel "city" or thereabouts you're almost a next-door neighbor of the refinery in Cressier. Obviously that reduces a lot of costs, including storage and transport.
It’s actually cheaper to go over to canton Bern to fill up than it is to fill up in Neuchâtel even at the stations right next to the refinery.
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Not only the grocery stores want to profit. Politicians also!
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And the anti-EE rhetoric really has to stop. Like right now. Or yesterday. We're too many in various fields of activity not to be "recognised". We're contributing enormously to a Europe which we consider ours too. Ten years ago I would have laughed at the idea of having to write these things on a forum like this, but Europe has become a very curious place lately.

Three years ago I switched our UK/EU transport contract from UK company with UK drivers to a Polish one. Great business decision not only in terms of cost but service. The Polish drivers are trustworthy, hard working and helpful and take great care when handling our goods so they are not damaged when the clients receive them. I just hope the company still exists when the lockdown is over and it hasn't been too hard on the drivers.
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...And the anti-EE rhetoric really has to stop. Like right now...
Please show me where there is any anti-EE rhetoric on this thread.
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Old 05.04.2020, 12:11
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

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Whilst a lot of agricultural seasonal workers do come from Easter Europe, much of the fruit and veg we eat also comes from Andalusia, particularly the vast greenhouses of Almeria where African migrants live on site.
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She misspelt EU.

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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

As much as one would like to avoid, the tendency to discuss the origin/race, of tomatoes and people alike, resurfaces again and again on EF. Much of EE is not EU. Even if they are, some EE nations were treated as non-EU for quite sometime; and even within EU, there's EU-8, EU-17 and EU-25 which gets different treatment when it comes to C permits or naturalization. EE in CH tends to show abusee-becomes-abuser psychology or some may call it the classic chip on shoulder. Often colored people are treated worse by EEs in CH on a presumption that they cannot be EU Women had voting rights in 1990! Gays could be verbally abused up until Feb 2020 All this is well covered in media, and it's quite clear that equality has a long way to go on EF/CH. There's little benefit on dwelling on this further.

Secondly just because some African migrant was treated poorly in Almerian greenhouse, I would refuse to pay a 100% premium for his/her hardships to a Swiss middleman trader. Also I am not happy to pay higher price just because now my Swiss brothers and sisters are laboring in supermarkets. They have ample benefits and a solid support system. Point is - legally speaking, price hikes in these times is considered a price gauging, it needs to stop.

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The situation is changing so quickly that even WHO is making a U-turn on their stance. So, those who say, "Nope, all OK in my canton" might have to revise their views too. Every morning, I see several buyers (not suppliers) coming to my super markets in ZH with their big vans with crazy number plates with AG, BE, LU, SG, ZG.. shopping in Zurich, loading their vans. This is messing with a delicate tomato supply chain from Spain.
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The situation is changing so quickly that even WHO is making a U-turn on their stance. So, those who say, "Nope, all OK in my canton" might have to revise their views too. Every morning, I see several buyers (not suppliers) coming to my super markets in ZH with their big vans with crazy number plates with AG, BE, LU, SG, ZG.. shopping in Zurich, loading their vans. This is messing with a delicate tomato supply chain from Spain.
Can we move this to the FWP thread?

Yes, it is really bad that people from ZG or AG dare to shop in ZH.... buying your tomatoes, really bad.
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Can we move this to the FWP thread?

Yes, it is really bad that people from ZG or AG dare to shop in ZH.... buying your tomatoes, really bad.

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Please show me where there is any anti-EE rhetoric on this thread.
There was an ironic reference to "it" all being the fault of Eastern Europeans, and some folks here do have a history of not recognising irony and/or reacting to comments as if they're serious.
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There was an ironic reference to "it" all being the fault of Eastern Europeans, and some folks here do have a history of not recognising irony and/or reacting to comments as if they're serious.
I think Pachyderm was the one who didn't recognise the irony. I actually liked gaburko's post, my comment was further addressing his idea. He was ironic, of course, but he did have a point.

You too have a history of not recognising a lot of things, if you ask me. Now....can we please move on? The thread is as shitty as it is, we don't need more irony. Yes, food and a lot of things will be more expensive, regardless of what OP thinks she's entitled to.
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..... Anyway I don't engage in pedantry, so I will leave you to it.

Thanks for the laugh.

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Yes, it is really bad that people from ZG or AG dare to shop in ZH.... buying your tomatoes, really bad.
It took corona for the NetflixBuff to notice that. While they steal away all our fancy Christmas-presents every year on All Hallows' Day.

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I'd like to complain about a multiple dirty profiteering tactics played by grocery chains. They're now getting so obvious that it's only hurting their brand image, if they ever cared about it.
  1. Inflated prices - tomatoes are now 6.9 CHF per kg. I'm not talking about bio/demeter or any special varierty. Normal, rispen tomatoes, non-Bio, which were sold between 2.9 to 4.2 CHF per kg. are now priced at 6.9! A packet of 1 kilo oatmeal is sold at 3.9 CHF, same brand (Alnatura) which was earlier 1.8 CHF for a kilo.
  2. Wrong product placement - At Coop, I frequently observe more expensive products being placed "by mistake" at wrong shelves of cheaper products. These typically tend to be cleaning products, toilet papers, pasta, rice and canned goods, which is the stuff people may rush to buy without much thinking. This was not a one-off incident which could be a honest mistake. But rather I saw this pattern for several products across a few Coop stores. Bleach spray that was from a fancy brand, priced at 8 CHF, was kept at "Prix" shelf which is significantly cheaper, ~4CHF for the bottle. Clearly, in these times customer is likely to quickly buy whatever they get hands on and not discuss this price shock at the cash desk.
  3. Systemic discouraging of points collection and other loyalty rewards - Points accrual on Migros Cumulus cards suddenly doesn't work. Staff has take it or leave it attitude. Normally, they can be expected to take a note of the purchase receipt, card number and retroactively credit the earned points. These rewards can be substantial. These days, it's like.. be glad that we are giving you food at all. I don't get this attitude. Business, if it's open, should be conducted in a fair manner. Government is anyway compensating whatever loss they're facing because of lower demand.

Truly hope that the Swiss grocery chains mend their ways and not act like it's 17th century.
My local outlets of all three (Migros, Coop, and Denner) have fairly reasonable prices, given the disruption to their supply chain, and definitely aren't "substituting" expensive versions as you mention there. Also, the staff are still asking about the rewards programmes.

I guess the staff where you shop are more stressed than those near me.
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Where did I say it was specifically on this thread? My comment was in general. If anything, I found some comments horribly patronising, almost amusing if they weren't the norm on EF. Gaburko's post was ironic, but pachyderm has obviously missed the irony. People don't need EF's "recognition" btw.
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The situation is changing so quickly that even WHO is making a U-turn on their stance. So, those who say, "Nope, all OK in my canton" might have to revise their views too. Every morning, I see several buyers (not suppliers) coming to my super markets in ZH with their big vans with crazy number plates with AG, BE, LU, SG, ZG.. shopping in Zurich, loading their vans. This is messing with a delicate tomato supply chain from Spain.
haha, crazy number plates. Do you know in which canton is located the IKEA of Spreitenbach? Any idea between the historical connection between Dietikon ZH and Bremgarten AG?
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Re: Profiteering tactics by grocery stores in Switzerland in times of Coronavirus

Doesn't matter. As I said, they're buyers, not commercial suppliers. I see them loading their vans with personal stuff such as TP, alcohol, vegetables, pasta packets and similar. Even if we assume that the van was hired (and therefore has crazy number plate), a person living close-by, if he/she intends to hoard, wouldn't hire a van instead of making 3-4 trips in car. So they're taking the stuff somewhere far away. And the vans with AG number plate almost never yields to pedestrians on zebra crossing.
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Doesn't matter. As I said, they're buyers, not commercial suppliers. I see them loading their vans with personal stuff such as TP, alcohol, vegetables, pasta packets and similar. Even if we assume that the van was hired (and therefore has crazy number plate), a person living close-by, if he/she intends to hoard, wouldn't hire a van instead of making 3-4 trips in car. So they're taking the stuff somewhere far away. And the vans with AG number plate almost never yields to pedestrians on zebra crossing.
AG is Aargau, the canton to the West of Zürich. ZG is Zug, the canton to the south of Zürich. SG is Saint Gallen, southeast of Zürich. Take a look at the map. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_319023820

Quite probably a lot of people that provides essential services to the inhabitants of the city of Zürich but earn an income that does not allows them to live in Zürich. Canton Zürich recieves almost 100K commuters per day during normal times. No surprise that commuters buy stuff close to their jobs. Stores may have already closed when they get back home.

I'll leave to someone else with a better sense of humor than me to explain why the cars with the AG plate number almost never yields at pedestrian crossings.

Finally, the COOP distribution center where most of the stuff sold in Zürich comes from it's located on Schafisheim, AG. Should people in AG worry because food is taken by truckload out of the canton?
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