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Patxi 21.05.2020 20:34

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3183566)
Irrelevant. That path does not facilitate social distancing for either pedestrians or cyclists.

Pedestrians can certainly accommodate the situation, I don’t think a cyclist travelling at speed can do much other than ring their bell.

The trail is flat. Any cyclist can stop and get to the side just as a pedestrian could. Common sense for most unless you are a moron.

Patxi 21.05.2020 20:38

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3183520)
Yes, but the challenge is social distancing. You cannot do that on that trail.

Best for you to stay home then. Way too many people on the trails today. 2 m distancing was not possible. We're gunna die.

jimk 21.05.2020 21:53

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Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 3183593)
The trail is flat. Any cyclist can stop and get to the side just as a pedestrian could. ...

not a good idea (ticks!)

Belgianmum 21.05.2020 22:11

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Originally Posted by jimk (Post 3183610)
not a good idea (ticks!)

And other potential hazards such as thorny plants, stinging nettles, uneven ground etc etc.

Carlos R 22.05.2020 08:10

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3183566)
Irrelevant. That path does not facilitate social distancing for either pedestrians or cyclists.

Pedestrians can certainly accommodate the situation, I don’t think a cyclist travelling at speed can do much other than ring their bell.

Just stop. Please. The sign clearly says “this not a bike trail”. For that reason alone, your social distancing argument is just nonsense. If your logic were to be applied universally, then a load of trails of all manner (walking as well as biking) would need to be shut down.

@ OP - more importantly, what bike you riding?

(Otherwise, I’m +1 for asking the Gemeinde)

Kittster 22.05.2020 10:59

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Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 3183593)
The trail is flat. Any cyclist can stop and get to the side just as a pedestrian could. Common sense for most unless you are a moron.

To quote my mam: The problem with asking people to use common sense is that it is not that common...

As my example illustrated, bikers may very well feel no need to stop and assume that the pedestrian has to move.

Urs Max 22.05.2020 16:29

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3183692)
To quote my mam: The problem with asking people to use common sense is that it is not that common...

As my example illustrated, bikers may very well feel no need to stop and assume that the pedestrian has to move.

Oh the irony.

Patxi 22.05.2020 17:10

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3183692)
To quote my mam: The problem with asking people to use common sense is that it is not that common...

As my example illustrated, bikers may very well feel no need to stop and assume that the pedestrian has to move.

IME, as a hiker and a biker, hikers seem to have more of a sense of entitlement when it comes to trail rights. Unfortunately, douches exist in both user groups.

squeezethecroc 22.05.2020 17:43

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Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 3183773)
IME, as a hiker and a biker, hikers seem to have more of a sense of entitlement when it comes to trail rights. Unfortunately, douches exist in both user groups.

Hikers have right of way.
"... pedestrians always have priority over mountain bikers on shared paths. According to Art. 54a of the Signaling Ordinance, the signpost “Route for mountain bikes” marks routes that are particularly suitable for MTB and obliges their users to be particularly considerate towards pedestrians. Where safety demands it, bikers have to give warning signals and stop if necessary."

olygirl 22.05.2020 18:27

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As a hiker and a biker, I always treat hikers as pedestrians who have the right of way.

Patxi 22.05.2020 18:41

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 3183791)
As a hiker and a biker, I always treat hikers as pedestrians who have the right of way.

As a hiker and a biker, I always cede right of way and say thanks when others cede it to me. Just common courtesy regardless of what the law says. It's ridiculous for a hiker to demand right of way for a biker that is coming up a trail towards them (unless they are an e-biker; eff them:D).

Tom1234 22.05.2020 18:44

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 3183791)
As a hiker and a biker, I always treat hikers as pedestrians who have the right of way.

When hiking with my kids, we always stop and give bikers the right of way - it's simpler and less stressful like that.

The alternative is that the kids see the bike too late (if at at all) and at least one child will move to the opposite side of the path than the others - and then swap sides at the last moment.

We don't get slowed down - we're slow anyway and the bikers don't get slowed down either. They almost always thank us with a smile.

It's no big deal.

Kittster 22.05.2020 23:37

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3183768)
Oh the irony.

If they are hurtling down a hill and not even slowing down a bit, instead shouting at me to move in an area where the only option was to get scratched to bits if I wanted to be sufficiently far away from the biker, I really feel that something is amiss on his side, not mine.

Him slowing down so I could just turn to the side and still be confident that he would pass me safely would be the correct approach. Imagine if someone had a dog on a lead in such a situation, you would have to basically pick up the dog an jump into the bushes. Good luck with that if you have a Bernese Mountain Dog or something like that.

NotAllThere 23.05.2020 07:53

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Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 3183797)
It's ridiculous for a hiker to demand right of way for a biker that is coming up a trail towards them

Maybe, but it's the law.

However, in all my wanderings on the wanderwegs, I've only once encountered anything less than courtesy from bicyclists.

Urs Max 23.05.2020 11:37

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3183895)
If they are hurtling down a hill and not even slowing down a bit, instead shouting at me to move in an area where the only option was to get scratched to bits if I wanted to be sufficiently far away from the biker, I really feel that something is amiss on his side, not mine.

Of course slowing down would be the fair thing to do. But you wrote about stopping, which would increase the problem as pushing the bike requires clearly more space. Claiming you "get scratched to bits" is an obvious overdramatisation.

Obviously common sense will have the hikers move off the path, contrary to the bikers they won't get slowed down significantly. For the rest feel free to refer to this post, with or without kids.

Urs Max 23.05.2020 11:41

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3183916)
Maybe, but it's the law.

I would think that the "uphill has right of way" rule doesn't apply to pedestrians, only to traffic that's to use the road.

olygirl 23.05.2020 11:43

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3183801)
When hiking with my kids, we always stop and give bikers the right of way - it's simpler and less stressful like that.

The alternative is that the kids see the bike too late (if at at all) and at least one child will move to the opposite side of the path than the others - and then swap sides at the last moment.

We don't get slowed down - we're slow anyway and the bikers don't get slowed down either. They almost always thank us with a smile.

It's no big deal.


Tom, most people see it that way but you'll find others who are less courteous. As annoying as my little bell is, it helps me to warn pedestrians who walk in groups that I'm coming. And then I pass with a Gruezi or a Danke.

st2lemans 23.05.2020 13:11

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
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Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 3183797)
As a hiker and a biker, I always cede right of way and say thanks when others cede it to me. Just common courtesy regardless of what the law says. It's ridiculous for a hiker to demand right of way for a biker that is coming up a trail towards them (unless they are an e-biker; eff them:D).

Bullshit, bicyclists do NOT have right of way over pedestrians!

Tom

Patxi 23.05.2020 13:41

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3183975)
Bullshit, bicyclists do NOT have right of way over pedestrians!

Tom

Never said they did you angry old ****!

NotAllThere 23.05.2020 16:38

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3183955)
I would think that the "uphill has right of way" rule doesn't apply to pedestrians, only to traffic that's to use the road.

Bicyclists do not have right of way over pedestrians. Regardless of whether they're going up or downhill.


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