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Axa 20.05.2020 17:47

Illegaler bike-trail
 
Yesterday I went for a nice ride in the single-trails close to home only to find this: illegaler bike-trail, befahren verboten! My A2 level German is enough to understand it as illegal bike trail, riding prohibited :(

Been in Switzerland since 2013 and first time I see something like this. The only warnings I've encountered has been related to mother cows and calves and beware of shepherd dog on duty or something like that. These warnings make sense, cows defend their calves and shepherd dogs are there to take care of sheep....cyclists are a menace in their eyes and must be bitten. But this?

https://i.imgur.com/p5J7K4W.jpg?1

This is a not so frequented trail. I asked another cyclist and he was as surprised as me, no idea who could have done this. Of course a piece of wood with a sign won't stop anyone from riding, but you lose all your confidence to ride when someone is upset with bike riders and might be sabotaging the trail.

Where to ask for an answer? Could a forest in the top of a hill be private property and the owner doesn't like it? No shooting range nearby, no houses, nothing. It's a 20-30 wide trail a few people ride per day, I fail to see the damage to the forest. Who to ask in the gemeinde? All I know is einwohnerkontroll.

Kittster 20.05.2020 17:54

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Is it possible that your area has a "Schonzeit" (closed season) where bikers going through there may disturb animals that are nesting/caring for their young?

EdwinNL 20.05.2020 18:00

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
You'll only find out if you ask your Gemeinde.

squeezethecroc 20.05.2020 20:07

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3183329)
Yesterday I went for a nice ride in the single-trails close to home only to find this: illegaler bike-trail, befahren verboten! My A2 level German is enough to understand it as illegal bike trail, riding prohibited :(

Been in Switzerland since 2013 and first time I see something like this. The only warnings I've encountered has been related to mother cows and calves and beware of shepherd dog on duty or something like that. These warnings make sense, cows defend their calves and shepherd dogs are there to take care of sheep....cyclists are a menace in their eyes and must be bitten. But this?

https://i.imgur.com/p5J7K4W.jpg?1

This is a not so frequented trail. I asked another cyclist and he was as surprised as me, no idea who could have done this. Of course a piece of wood with a sign won't stop anyone from riding, but you lose all your confidence to ride when someone is upset with bike riders and might be sabotaging the trail.

Where to ask for an answer? Could a forest in the top of a hill be private property and the owner doesn't like it? No shooting range nearby, no houses, nothing. It's a 20-30 wide trail a few people ride per day, I fail to see the damage to the forest. Who to ask in the gemeinde? All I know is einwohnerkontroll.

That looks like a home-made thing. I would think that the forestry commission would be able to shed more light on this. Generally, you can only ride on "befestigten Waldstrassen" (paths which are maintained and have a hard-ish surface of, for example, grit. They are also usually wide enough for two people to pass each other).

Some paths may be used for cycling, if the Gemeinde and the Forestry Commission allow it, but they should have signage.

If you really want to be sure, get in touch with the Gemeinde or the Forestry Commission.

If the path belongs to Suhr, here's a link

NotAllThere 20.05.2020 20:41

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While the vast majority of bikers are considerate of walkers, I'm afraid a small minority are not. Perhaps a pissed off group of local walkers put it up?

It is a bit worrying when you're walking up a narrow steep rocky path and a mountain biker wants to come the other way. But as i understand it, unless otherwise posted, wanderweg are open to walkers and bikers.

aSwissInTheUS 20.05.2020 22:10

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3183329)
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Where to ask for an answer? Could a forest in the top of a hill be private property and the owner doesn't like it? No shooting range nearby, no houses, nothing. It's a 20-30 wide trail a few people ride per day, I fail to see the damage to the forest. Who to ask in the gemeinde? All I know is einwohnerkontroll.

Bluntly said the trail in itself is the damage.

But, unlike the forest law in neighboring Baden-Würtemberg which forbids bike riding on forest paths less than 2 meters width, the Swiss https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...255/index.html and Aargau forest laws do not know such a general bike riding ban https://gesetzessammlungen.ag.ch/frontend/versions/2665 .
The closest there exists is § 13 AWaG which forbids riding with horses and bikes outside of forest roads and forest paths. In addition to that there is Art. 43 Abs. 1 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a43 which states
"Paths which are not suitable for motor vehicles or bicycles or are obviously not intended for them, such as footpaths and hiking trails, may not be used by such vehicles."

Some cantons interpret the previous clause quite liberal and says that mountain bikes are suitable on hiking trails https://www.sz.ch/public/upload/asse...Wanderwege.pdf . Some have a more conservative approach and say that hiking trails are indeed just hiking trails.

Axa 20.05.2020 22:58

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squeezethecroc (Post 3183360)
That looks like a home-made thing. I would think that the forestry commission would be able to shed more light on this. Generally, you can only ride on "befestigten Waldstrassen" (paths which are maintained and have a hard-ish surface of, for example, grit. They are also usually wide enough for two people to pass each other).

Some paths may be used for cycling, if the Gemeinde and the Forestry Commission allow it, but they should have signage.

If you really want to be sure, get in touch with the Gemeinde or the Forestry Commission.

If the path belongs to Suhr, here's a link


Thanks a lot. Forstverwaltung, I know now where to ask.

RTN 21.05.2020 07:16

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
The blocking of illegal paths in the Zurich region has ramped up a lot in the last 12 months. The problem is that single trails are marked on a lot of apps because they have been used for years but are not official and not signposted. Fines are high at Chf600 per rider, my BIL and his son got caught and it took a lot of time and money to get the charges dismissed as signs were not in place. So be careful or get an EMTB so they can't catch you! Actually ignore trying to get away and photograph all the signs if you do happen to ride on the wrong trail.

Join a bike association to help with getting this addressed as there is little or no support for this in a lot of Cantons.

robBob 21.05.2020 08:47

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
What does it say on the other side?

bowlie 21.05.2020 09:11

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3183441)
What does it say on the other side?

Loosely translated as “Enforcement Cameras in use, You’re busted!”

bowlie 21.05.2020 09:42

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
That trail does not look suitable for two pedestrians to pass within 2m. Two bikes cannot ride abreast, or even pass while remaining on the path.

No, that path is not suitable for cycles. Regardless of the laws and regulations. Just common sense.

robBob 21.05.2020 09:50

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Can only assume it is tick infested and closed for your own good.

RTN 21.05.2020 13:04

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3183453)
Can only assume it is tick infested and closed for your own good.

Still easier to deal with ticks than walkers!

bowlie 21.05.2020 13:10

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Patxi. Why the groan.

Your first contribution to this thread is to groan me for stating the obvious.

Well thank you very much for your contribution.

Tom1234 21.05.2020 13:13

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3183503)
Patxi. Why the groan.

Your first contribution to this thread is to groan me for stating the obvious.

Well thank you very much for your contribution.

I groaned you too.

Many (or perhaps most) MTB trails are narrow and technical. That's the challenge.

bowlie 21.05.2020 14:00

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3183504)
I groaned you too.

Many (or perhaps most) MTB trails are narrow and technical. That's the challenge.

Yes, but the challenge is social distancing. You cannot do that on that trail.

Kittster 21.05.2020 17:05

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3183504)
I groaned you too.

Many (or perhaps most) MTB trails are narrow and technical. That's the challenge.

Yeah, it is also pretty technical to be forced to jump into the brambles because it becomes evident that the biker speeding down the path you are walking up has absolutely no intention of stopping and starts yelling at you to move. Made me want to rugby tackle him off his bike, what a moron. Did not even slow down. And no, I was not walking on a designated bike trail.

Tom1234 21.05.2020 17:23

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3183520)
Yes, but the challenge is social distancing. You cannot do that on that trail.

We don't know the reason why it was closed.

What we do know is that bike trails are quite often that narrow which goes against what you wrote:

Quote:

No, that path is not suitable for cycles. Regardless of the laws and regulations. Just common sense.

bowlie 21.05.2020 17:57

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3183556)
We don't know the reason why it was closed.

Irrelevant. That path does not facilitate social distancing for either pedestrians or cyclists.

Pedestrians can certainly accommodate the situation, I don’t think a cyclist travelling at speed can do much other than ring their bell.

olygirl 21.05.2020 19:43

Re: Illegaler bike-trail
 
If it was closed due to social distancing, it would have said so on the sign. I assume the trail is not a designated biking trail and therefore has been blocked off. Makes sense to me.


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