Hi Guys,

not sure how to deal with this one. . .

In my apartment complex(managed by Agency) all neighbours are doing fine together, communicate and are overall well matched, except....

In apartment next to mine lives a man and a woman(the only Swiss ppl in building). He is registered on the door, she moved in later but her name wasnt posted. In the last two years following situations happened, (point 2 started recently)

1. Lady: Listening to conversations through intercom(bell system) of one of our neighbours Chris multiple times while he was in front of the building talking to a friend
2. Lady: Taking pictures of my partner while he was fixing the car(not blocking road or anything, all time in the car fixing computer issues).
Taking pictures of our neighbour Chris - here we dont know why..
3. Lady EVERYDAY stalker activity - if you leave the house you know someone is watching everyday...for all neighbours )) you can feel safe home now ))))
4. Man: Another neighbour went to the parking as she forgot something in the car in the late evening, the man followed her to the car, she run back home and he followed slowly

I spoke to agency workers recently, they said "go to police or take pictures when she does it to you.." but Im not sure if police can treat is seriously and its hard to catch her in act of taking pictures.. I am collecting videos of me leaving the house and her watching since then

We found out about other neighbours being impacted just recently, they are happy to join whatever action is possible..

But what can really be done? What are your suggestions??
Im afraid that is this goes as a small warning it will get worse..

Thanks!

Firstly... have you spoken to the neighbour about their behaviour? This should be the first objective if it's possible.

If so and it was not productive then write a registered letter to the Verwaltung detailing the behaviour and occurrences (with dates, be as specific as possible) and how it is infringing on your peace and privacy (a serious matter in Switzerland) and have everyone in the building that cares sign it and demand action.

Thank you for reply, the neighbours do not speak to anybody. Greetings are left with no reply. One neighbour was met with verbal agression from the man..

Generally they avoid to be seen, if they go out then early, come back at night, their windows are blocked with protective tape etc. - they are very very unusual

That's really creepy

not sure why previous reply was not posted..

The neighbours dont talk to anybody, they dont respons to greeting etc. Always wearing hats or sunglasses, windows are covered from top to bottom

The man was verbally abbusive once to other neighbour while she was moving in.. hence the option of talking is limited or I would prefer not to try it..

Then first do the letter and get the agency to give them an official warning. Then if it gets worse report to the police.

Thanks for help! Appreciated dearly!
Monika

Ask the other neighbours if they, too, will document any ways in which they feel threatened or otherwise bothered by that particular couple.

it is an offence,



https://www.anwalt.org/201a-stgb/#:~...ht%20strafbar.


all you need is a witness and you can pass by a Polizeiwache and hand in an Anzeige. Try to negotiate a gathering with the agency and neighbors present(both the cringy ones and the others, supposedly normal ones), they call it "schlichtend eingreifen". If the Schlichtung won't go well or the neighbors won't show up and continue on penetrating your Privatsphäre, you are in for a fruitless Rechtsweg.

True.

But before bringing lawyers or the police onto the secene, I would really leave no stone unturned in seeking a direct and amicable solution.

If you bring in the police you have destroyed any trust or goodwill that there may be irrevocably. Remember, there may be a misunderstanding somewhere and that their version of what happened may be different to yours.

Thank you guys for all suggestions!

I will try the agency first with other neighbours as they are also very frustrated and wanted to contriute to the claim

True.



That is why the rules require one to: 1) speak personally; 2) engage agency; 3) seek legal assistance;


skipping any of these steps may lead to a unexpected result.

We have a similarly crazy couple across the way from us, observing all the time from the balcony - but they do not take photos which is a point that you are entitled to officially complain about.
They also hardly talk, including not responding to direct greetings. We suspect that they write regular complaints to the letting agency.

My feeling is that the official route will get nowhere, you have to use your ingenuity.

The best method I have found is a hunting horn - you only have to practice at short random intervals to get the maximum effect

Heh thanks Well I started waving back when she is watching me but seems to easy

Can the unauthorised recording be used against me as agency asked me to get proof of her stalking behavior? I litterally leave the home and turn camera towards buidling/sky walking and somehow her head always pops in the last window

OP - if you are posting here under your real name and you want to do something about it, contact us.

You could also just PM the OP and ask instead of doing it publicly, right?

Thank you for your support, as said above I will try the agency way..

It feels really shitty to even make this complain but taking pictures was the breaking point.. not sure how other people can complain that someone run a shower after 11 heh as I am here struggling not to hurt anybody but get my peace

It feels like every apartment block needs at least one neighbour like that, we have one too. Thankfully, after a lot of push back, our resident weirdo has calmed down. The important thing is to find a balance between pushing back as a group but not bullying them. They clearly have something not quite right to behave like this.

It sounds like they are suffering from some sort of paranoid psychosis - perhaps one is and the other is playing along.
Probably harmless to others but could possibly get worse.

It could get much worse.

Just checking: so as you leave home, you turn to photograph her. Do you do this often? Why? It made me wonder who is stalking whom.