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Old 27.06.2020, 13:46
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

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...How much is the bill?
According to the OP, more than 1,000 CHF.

To me, that's not a simple phone call or e-mail. It's either a mistake (could be, who knows) or at least a few hours of the attorney's time. If the OP hasn't done so, asking for an itemized bill with dates and times would be a good start.
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

THat's not quiet right, i said if i hire him , he will charge me more then 1000 sfr(advance payment).
So the bill for 2 emails and a phone call comes at around 185 sfr .
I stopped the process (of hiring) , when corona was everything shutting down .
He dropped an email, that he works only on a prepaid basis, so i thought, i did not singed a contract, i did not prepaid something, so nothing happend.

When you are the victim of a mobbing by your boss (not for the first time here in switzerland for me), it is pretty hard to fight back.
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Old 28.06.2020, 02:50
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

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THat's not quiet right, i said if i hire him , he will charge me more then 1000 sfr(advance payment).
So the bill for 2 emails and a phone call comes at around 185 sfr .
I stopped the process (of hiring) , when corona was everything shutting down .
He dropped an email, that he works only on a prepaid basis, so i thought, i did not singed a contract, i did not prepaid something, so nothing happend.

When you are the victim of a mobbing by your boss (not for the first time here in switzerland for me), it is pretty hard to fight back.
For heavens sake....
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So the bill for 2 emails and a phone call comes at around 185 sfr .
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Unbelievable! all it took was 4 pages for you to give us the full facts that this is about 185 francs! And now there are TWO emails and not one! The man obviously did some professional work for you which went well beyond getting an estimate for his time/scope of work so pay him for his time.

You say you stopped the hiring process so I assume that means you either verbally or via email agreed to use his services and, in expectation that you would honour your commitment to him, he did at least some preliminary work while waiting the return of the signed contract and payment. Were either of the two emails sent after you started the hiring process and did the phone call happen at that time. If any of this happened, he doesn't need a signed contract to show that you engaged his services as your actions are evidence enough. It appears he is charging you an abortive fee for pulling out at the last minute by billing you for the time he wasted

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Old 28.06.2020, 08:37
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

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THat's not quiet right, i said if i hire him , he will charge me more then 1000 sfr(advance payment).
So the bill for 2 emails and a phone call comes at around 185 sfr .
I stopped the process (of hiring) , when corona was everything shutting down .
He dropped an email, that he works only on a prepaid basis, so i thought, i did not singed a contract, i did not prepaid something, so nothing happend.
A verbal contract is as binding as a written contract. If he did work for, then that means a contract was in place, whether you signed one or not.

So you hired him and therefore agreed that you'd make a 1000 franc advance payment. He then did some work for you totalling 185 francs.

You owe him 1000 francs, possibly less 185. Quite simple. If you want to negotiate, you can. You haven't got a leg to stand on, but occasionally people do show mercy, contract notwithstanding. Possibly, you can benefit from the balance's worth of advice. If you want to challenge him, you'll need to hire a lawyer. You could hire him with the balance, and see what his advice is.
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According to the OP, more than 1,000 CHF.

"because the current situation in my workfield is very bad since march (covid), to become his client , he wanted more then 1000 sfr." 1000 sfr would have been the fee for the lawyer if he had taken the case fully.

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Unbelievable! all it took was 4 pages for you to give us the full facts that this is about 185 francs! And now there are TWO emails and not one! The man obviously did some professional work for you which went well beyond getting an estimate for his time/scope of work so pay him for his time.
See above for the actual fee requested but I agree.The work was begun, some work has been done and then came the cancellation. The lawyer has every right to charge.
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You owe him 1000 francs, possibly less 185. Quite simple.
So the lawyer bills him 185 CHF and you believe he must be billed the total of 1000 CHF? It makes no sense. The lawyer seems to be happy to be paid for the work he has actually done.

I am glad you are not a judge or arbitrator.
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A verbal contract is as binding as a written contract. If he did work for, then that means a contract was in place, whether you signed one or not.

So you hired him and therefore agreed that you'd make a 1000 franc advance payment. He then did some work for you totalling 185 francs.

You owe him 1000 francs, possibly less 185. Quite simple. If you want to negotiate, you can. You haven't got a leg to stand on, but occasionally people do show mercy, contract notwithstanding. Possibly, you can benefit from the balance's worth of advice. If you want to challenge him, you'll need to hire a lawyer. You could hire him with the balance, and see what his advice is.

Completely wrong! The lawyer has sent him a bill for 185 francs in full and final settlement for the preliminary work he did on OPs case. He is not asking for 1,000 francs only for 185 francs which OP should promptly pay and move on
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Old 28.06.2020, 09:58
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

Wow - touched a nerve there.

I did not read the OP's post in that way.

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... to become his client , he wanted more then 1000 sfr.

Now i got a bill for nothing.......
I understand it to mean that the lawyers fees are charged at minimum 1000 francs for any work that you take him on to do.

The OP hired the lawyer on this basis. He's been billed. He pay the bill. If I've misunderstood the pricing structure (and the OP isn't exactly a model of clarity and openness), and it is you interpret it, he still has to pay the bill, it just not as much.

Either way, he's moaning about nothing really. Lawyers aren't cheap.
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Wow - touched a nerve there.

I did not read the OP's post in that way.

I understand it to mean that the lawyers fees are charged at minimum 1000 francs for any work that you take him on to do.

In OP's post last night he clarified "So the bill for 2 emails and a phone call comes at around 185 sfr"

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Wow - touched a nerve there.

I did not read the OP's post in that way.

Need to work on your reading comprehension, then.
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Old 28.06.2020, 14:33
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

The OP originally implied that he has paid over more than 1000 francs. But, yeah - sure.
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I did not hired him, because the current situation in my workfield is very bad since march (covid), to become his client , he wanted more then 1000 sfr.
Obviously the original post said that to hire the lawyer's services would have cost 1000 CHF but the OP decided not to hire him because he couldn't afford it.

It is easy to misread it the first time but after the OP said he was asked to pay 185 CHF, if you go back and read it, the meaning is obvious.. if you are not hell-bent on not understanding it that is.
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

I could afford this, but the 1000 sfr are an advance payment to start his work.
Each hour he works on that case , would be 280 sfr for the lawyer
The corona virus stopped nearly all job offers on the spot.
And when you are above a certain age , it will be tough (with corona unlikely) to get a new job, when you are in the middle of a fight against your old employer.
The lawyer told me the be he could do is about 2 or 3 wages, thats all.
No word about the mobbing itself.
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Wow - touched a nerve there.

I did not read the OP's post in that way.



I understand it to mean that the lawyers fees are charged at minimum 1000 francs for any work that you take him on to do.

The OP hired the lawyer on this basis. He's been billed. He pay the bill. If I've misunderstood the pricing structure (and the OP isn't exactly a model of clarity and openness), and it is you interpret it, he still has to pay the bill, it just not as much.

Either way, he's moaning about nothing really. Lawyers aren't cheap.
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I could afford this, but the 1000 sfr are an advance payment to start his work.
Each hour he works on that case , would be 280 sfr for the lawyer
The corona virus stopped nearly all job offers on the spot.
And when you are above a certain age , it will be tough (with corona unlikely) to get a new job, when you are in the middle of a fight against your old employer.
The lawyer told me the be he could do is about 2 or 3 wages, thats all.
No word about the mobbing itself.

So to be very clear
How much has he invoiced you for?
How much have you paid the lawyer already?
Is the invoice that he sent to you the FULL amount he expects you to pay? If not, what is the FULL amount he now insists you pay
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

I paid around 185 sfr from his final bill, thats all (for 2 emails and a phone call).
He would need an initial payment of 1000 sfr to start his work, which i did not payed.
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

As I undersstand it, this is how it went:
Potential client to lawyer: I'm in a difficult situation. Can you help me?
Lawyer: What's it about?
OP: It's about a difficult situation at work.
Lawyer and OP: that phonecall
Lawyer: 2 mails to client
Lawyer: When I take on a client, I always require Fr. 1'000 advance on the fees, right away, at the start. For the work I've done till now, I'll charge you Fr. 185.
Client: Fr. 185? Really? Just for that phonecall and your 2 mails?
Lawyer: Yes, really. I always charge for the time I work.
Client: Corona's in the way of everything. I can't afford Fr. 1'000. I'll pay the Fr. 185.
Client paid the Fr. 185 bill.
That's the end of the interaction between the lawyer and the client.

This thread started after that had all taken place. The opening post was made only to complain (that's fair enough; it is in the complaints sub-forum).

As the thread developed, the discussion became about whether or not forum members think that the lawyer overcharged (Fr 185). The general sum of many, but not all, of the opinions here is that the lawyer did not overcharge. And that anyone approaching a lawyer should take care to check their fees, right at the start.

OP, good luck with your situation!

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Old 28.06.2020, 18:05
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

Perhaps the bullying has to do with communication skills? You've just rubbed a lot of people the wrong way by crying "wolf" when it was only a sheep.

Be upfront, honest and don't look for sympathy. You might find life a bit easier on you afterwards.
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And when you are above a certain age , it will be tough (with corona unlikely) to get a new job, when you are in the middle of a fight against your old employer.
The lawyer told me the be he could do is about 2 or 3 wages, thats all.
No word about the mobbing itself.

Certainly in UK and USA if lawyers think the client has a good case and there is a likelihood of winning a settlement, they will work on a No Win No Fee contract

Not sure if lawyers in Switzerland do that but, if you feel you have a good case and don't have the money, perhaps you could try to find a lawyer who would do that. The fee they will take on winning will be higher then if you just paid them regularly but you pay nothing if they don't win


Just make sure, whatever you do, that any contact you have with a lawyer you will not be charged for. Good Luck
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Re: Lawyer Bill for reading my email/phone conversation

Completely agree. The insurance, tax filing agency, Driving class agency.. the list goes on
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