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Old 30.08.2020, 14:17
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https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent

But I think you've already made it quite clear that no matter what studies you are shown and no matter what facts and evidence you are given, you are going to stick with your cognitive bias against wearing masks, because well... altering your cognitive bias would require admitting to yourself and to anyone else that you're wrong.
How often does it have to be repeated before you get it, read the advice from the WHO and stop posting links under the misconception that their efficacy is proven!

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At the present time, the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence, and there are potential benefits and harms to consider.
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You can maintain your cognitive bias, just perform the3Ws.

Wash your hands,
Watch your distance, and
Wear a mask.

If not for you, for your friends and neighbours.
A small analogy so that people grasp how senseless this statement is. We're currently running in Switzerland at about 20 cases in 100,000 give or take. Now imagine the Camp Nou football stadium. That is the equivalent of one row of one block of seats in the entire stadium! Now the entire stadium is supposed to wear a mask (which is not yet proven to be of any effect) because 20 are infected. This isn't protecting friends and neighbours, it's borderline insanity!

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Old 30.08.2020, 14:27
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How often does it have to be repeated before you get it, read the advice from the WHO and stop posting links under the misconception that their efficacy is proven!



https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...d-19-and-masks
Yeah, I just clicked on your link and this is what it says:

"What is WHO’s view on masks?

Masks should be used as part of a comprehensive strategy of measures to suppress transmission and save lives; the use of a mask alone is not sufficient to provide an adequate level of protection against COVID-19. You should also maintain a minimum physical distance of at least 1 metre from others, frequently clean your hands and avoid touching your face and mask.

Medical masks can protect people wearing the mask from getting infected, as well as can prevent those who have symptoms from spreading them. WHO recommends the following groups use medical masks.

Health workers
Anyone with symptoms suggestive of COVID-19, including people with mild symptoms
People caring for suspect or confirmed cases of COVID-19 outside of health facilities

Medical masks are also recommended for these at-risk people, when they are in areas of widespread transmission and they cannot guarantee a distance of at least 1 metre from others:

People aged 60 or over
People of any age with underlying health conditions


Non-medical, fabric masks are being used by many people in public areas, but there has been limited evidence on their effectiveness and WHO does not recommend their widespread use among the public for control of COVID-19. However, for areas of widespread transmission, with limited capacity for implementing control measures and especially in settings where physical distancing of at least 1 metre is not possible – such as on public transport, in shops or in other confined or crowded environments – WHO advises governments to encourage the general public to use non-medical fabric masks."
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Old 30.08.2020, 14:36
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You can maintain your cognitive bias, just perform the3Ws.

Wash your hands,
Watch your distance, and
Wear a mask.

If not for you, for your friends and neighbours.
And I'll add:

Do it also for all the people whose jobs require them to interact with you. They often cannot avoid you as they go about doing the work that makes your life easier.
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Old 02.09.2020, 16:15
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Re: Mask dodgers

Swiss authorities including the Army have purchased millions of masks (in the case of the Swiss Army 18 million) which are giving 0 protection against the coronavirus as they are not meeting the European standards.

So masks dodgers who keep distance maybe doing better than the official rules....

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Old 02.09.2020, 16:19
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Swiss authorities including the Army have purchased millions of masks (in the case of the Swiss Army 18 million) which are giving 0 protection against the coronavirus as they are not meeting the European standards.
That's simply not true. Stop making it up as you go along.

It may not be 100% but that doesn't mean they would be 0% effective.

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Swiss authorities including the Army have purchased millions of masks (in the case of the Swiss Army 18 million) which are giving 0 protection against the coronavirus as they are not meeting the European standards.

So masks dodgers who keep distance maybe doing better than the official rules....
Obviously not.

Quit with the dramatics. Keep to the facts.
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Old 02.09.2020, 16:33
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That's simply not true. Stop making it up as you go along.

It may not be 100% but that doesn't mean they would be 0% effective.



Obviously not.

Quit with the dramatics. Keep to the facts.
ineffective - it's self explanatory, I'd think. Either they protect, or they don't. As it seems, they are smog masks, so 0 protection against viruses.
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Old 02.09.2020, 16:48
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ineffective - it's self explanatory, I'd think. Either they protect, or they don't. As it seems, they are smog masks, so 0 protection against viruses.
Ineffective is not the same thing as offering zero protection.
They may offer some protection just not as much as they would have wished for.
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ineffective - it's self explanatory, I'd think. Either they protect, or they don't. As it seems, they are smog masks, so 0 protection against viruses.
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Old 02.09.2020, 21:55
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Hey, not the same cartoon for the fifth time in a row, but an empty quote. Keep up the good work buddy you might come up with something on your own
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Hey, not the same cartoon for the fifth time in a row, but an empty quote. Keep up the good work buddy you might come up with something on your own
Hit a nerve have I?

On the other hand you make up plenty of stuff on your own. Like your utterly stupid analysis of that article.

I prefer to copy others when it's been done better than I could have.

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Old 02.09.2020, 22:36
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Re: Mask dodgers

I speculated on this thread last week as to the environmental impact of face masks, unaware that it was already happening

https://au.news.yahoo.com/reminder-o...XBGF4X9mxBPuzS

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/animals/n...fore-disposal/

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/22/fears...week-13022222/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-53530961
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Ran out of "masks don't protect" "arguments"?
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Ran out of "masks don't protect" "arguments"?
Masks don't protect you. If you believe this then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you!
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Masks don't protect you.
They protect other people from you.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand, or are you naturally adverse to group efforts?
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They protect other people from you.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand, or are you naturally adverse to group efforts?
They don't do that either. Best to our current knowledge is that there is some evidence to support they may provide some benefit under certain conditions. Way off protecting anyone!

There was a rationale that said enforcing masks to be worn in shops and offices would lead to more people returning to work and shops as they would feel safer. Early indications show this NOT to be the case as people find masks uncomfortable and weird.
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Now the entire stadium is supposed to wear a mask (which is not yet proven to be of any effect)
Tony, I am quite confident you're terribly mistaken. Masks have been deemed by the WHO and gazillions of professionals to be effective. Very effective given that they have no inherent side effects (other than the environmental issue that you pointed out later). Proven efficacy of masks dates back to the great Manchurian Plague, over 100 years ago (granted it was due to a bacteria, which is a few times but not dramatically larger than the COVID-19 virus). Same thing with the Spanish Flu. I don't know where the claims about the lack of efficacy come from, but they are very unlikely to come from professionals. I would bet my bottom-rappen that they are factoids created by ignorant folk who spread their fears and prejudices online, which is the only place where they'd echo. For anyone who'd rather heed the advice of ignorant, anonymous conspiracy-theorists over health professionals, there's no rational argument worth engaging in.

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They don't do that either. Best to our current knowledge is that there is some evidence to support they may provide some benefit under certain conditions. Way off protecting anyone!
That's not correct. I hear quite a few people repeating it. That doesn't make it any more true.

Edit: just googled a few quite reliable sources for statements in favour of masks, which come from regular public institutions, i.e. Mayo Clinic, University of Maryland, Cleveland Clinic, and Johns Hopkins.

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There was a rationale that said enforcing masks to be worn in shops and offices would lead to more people returning to work and shops as they would feel safer. Early indications show this NOT to be the case as people find masks uncomfortable and weird.
That's mixing arguments. Wearing masks does not equate going have to shops and offices. They are 2 completely independent things. And people finding them uncomfortable and weird, well...persistance and habit will eventually help in that department. We need to be consistent, and give it time.
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I don't know where the claims about the lack of efficacy come from, but they are very unlikely to come from professionals. I would bet my bottom-rappen that they are factoids created by ignorant folk who spread their fears and prejudices online, which is the only place where they'd echo. For anyone who'd rather heed the advice of ignorant, anonymous conspiracy-theorists over health professionals, there's no rational argument worth engaging in.
And people finding them uncomfortable and weird, well...persistance and habit will eventually help in that department. We need to be consistent, and give it time.
I don't think anybody questions the efficacy of a proper mask when properly worn. The real problem is most masks aren't proper masks for the job (like the 18 million smog masks Swiss army has bought and sold in Switzerland) and most people aren't using them in a correct way. These two facts are making the actual situation WORSE because they give false security and they increase the infection possibility just by how people wear them today. That's it.

Masks are great! But people don't know how to use them, don't want to use them properly or they are simply not affordable to be used daily in a proper way. (at least in most of the world)
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Masks are great! But people don't know how to use them, don't want to use them properly or they are simply not affordable to be used daily in a proper way.
And that's a huge point that still needs to be taken up by the authorities. It will take some time, but by the time we're through "educating" ourselves about the type and proper usage of masks, we'll be much better prepared for the next epidemic. We can't give up now.
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Early indications show this NOT to be the case as people find masks uncomfortable and weird.
Cycle helmets
Seat-belts in cars
Smoke-free pubs
Duvets
The internet
Computers

Not sure how old you are but you write like you're either a stroppy teenager or a very old man set in his ways.

Which is it? Definitely not a responsible adult.
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