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Old 18.08.2020, 21:54
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I may hold an unpopular view, but I tend to fight fire with fire. If somebody is obviously assholish for whatever reason, covid or before, I let them know and feel it. At least long unpleasant stare and pointing my finger to the mask, or conversation that is heard by others on purpose. Let them feel how unwanted and outsiders they are, most folks here actually minds these kind of things. I obviously don't go into physical confrontation, we're not in Ukraine or similar places (seen a video of masked guy beating unmasked with salami in supermarket).

A lot of a-holes in this world rely on people being generally nice among each other. Show them there are those who care.

Do your part. Be tiny little bit an a-hole to those who deserve it This time, you may actually save somebody's life!
I love this reply!
If the staff on transport aren't enforcing the mask rule then we should, within reason be able to pull people up for not wearing a mask.
My hubby doesn't like me doing it as he feels some people may react violently.
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Old 18.08.2020, 22:02
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I have seen people make a sandwich last their entire trip to avoid wearing a mask 😷 or making phone calls during their trip. Or the eyes down looking at their phones to ensure they don't make eye contact with us mask wearing folk.
I'm sure there are folk who genuinely struggle to wear a madk but some of them come across as self entitled buttercups who can't live by the rules.
Not everyone is a deliberate dodger. A few weeks ago I forgot to wash my cloth mask, so I took paper ones in a plastic zip-top bag in my backpack. The one to town I threw in the bin once I was there, because of course I was going to eat lunch, walk around and shop, etc. Somewhere along the way, the plastic bag fell out of my backpack, meaning I had no mask for the return trip. I've never made a tiny scoop of ice cream last so long...
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Not everyone is a deliberate dodger. A few weeks ago I forgot to wash my cloth mask, so I took paper ones in a plastic zip-top bag in my backpack. The one to town I threw in the bin once I was there, because of course I was going to eat lunch, walk around and shop, etc. Somewhere along the way, the plastic bag fell out of my backpack, meaning I had no mask for the return trip. I've never made a tiny scoop of ice cream last so long...
Lol 😆 oh dear! I carry my reusable cloth mask in one side of my bag in a zip lock and an emergency unopened one just in case anything happens.
I am aware stuff can happen to masks etc,but you can tell my the demeanour of some of them they have zero intention of wearing one. These are the ones I would like to be held accountable.
How would they feel if a loved one caught the virus as a result of theirs or someone else's selfish stance on not wearing a mask?
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Lol �� oh dear! I carry my reusable cloth mask in one side of my bag in a zip lock and an emergency unopened one just in case anything happens.
I am aware stuff can happen to masks etc,but you can tell my the demeanour of some of them they have zero intention of wearing one. These are the ones I would like to be held accountable.
How would they feel if a loved one caught the virus as a result of theirs or someone else's selfish stance on not wearing a mask?
Held accountable for what exactly? Switzerland managed to Covid cases to single figure numbers WITHOUT the use of masks! The WHOs own website says that "At the present time, the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence, and there are potential benefits and harms to consider." Basically, there is very little scientific evidence that masks provide any benefit whatsoever. Certainly cloth masks that you profess to wearing provide virtually no protection at all!

We have to wear masks on public transport however not in office environments, or in shops or basically anywhere else indoors. How is that logical in any way?!

It's frightening how obedient people are (myself included), and how politics has driven this decision rather than science. I find myself only wearing a (medical) mask out of politeness and not wishing to offend or embarrass others around me. Wearing a mask in the knowledge it's very likely not of use and simply not to upset those around me isn't really a good reason to be wearing one in the first place. When I see someone not wearing a mask I think "Good on them!" and chastise myself for not being brave enough to do the same. A side effect of being British I guess
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Old 19.08.2020, 08:50
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Re: Mask dodgers

Is removing the mask to eat breakfast acceptable?
Wearing a bandanna?
Covering the nose?

There's more than "not wearing a mask", and all of it undermines the use of masks
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Re: Mask dodgers

I completely forgot my mask for the first time last week and felt terrible. I covered my face with my t-shirt and looked very guilty for the trip.

In addition to seeing people not wear masks and clearly not care, it also really annoys me when I see people wearing masks with it pulled down below their nose.
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Hence why I keep unopened sealed packages (5 or 10pc) to give out should someone need a mask. Hopefully he or she will wear the remaining masks on future journeys.
You should also give them a hand sanitiser to disinfect their hands before putting on a mask.

No, I'm kidding. (not about the protocol though) I think you're too nice.
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Not everyone is a deliberate dodger. A few weeks ago I forgot to wash my cloth mask, so I took paper ones in a plastic zip-top bag in my backpack. The one to town I threw in the bin once I was there, because of course I was going to eat lunch, walk around and shop, etc. Somewhere along the way, the plastic bag fell out of my backpack, meaning I had no mask for the return trip. I've never made a tiny scoop of ice cream last so long...
When my mask broke, I walked home. I'm more virtuous than you.

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Basically, there is very little scientific evidence that masks provide any benefit whatsoever.
There's more scientific evidence that they provide benefit than there is evidence they cause harm. So what's the problem?
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Old 19.08.2020, 09:48
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Re: Mask dodgers

It is irrelevant if masks work or not. The rule is simple, to enter public transport you need to have a mask on. If you don't want to wear a mask, then don't enter.

I am fed up of wearing the mask properly while others are being selfish a-holes! To be honest in my area it is mainly foreigners who don't wear it. I point at my mask and gesture at them with my middle finger or give them stare of death.

There should be heavy fines! CHF1000 for no mask and CHF999 for mask with uncovered nose
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It is irrelevant if masks work or not. The rule is simple, to enter public transport you need to have a mask on. If you don't want to wear a mask, then don't enter.

I am fed up of wearing the mask properly while others are being selfish a-holes! To be honest in my area it is mainly foreigners who don't wear it. I point at my mask and gesture at them with my middle finger or give them stare of death.

There should be heavy fines! CHF1000 for no mask and CHF999 for mask with uncovered nose

Funny, in my area the foreigners and the elderly seem to be the disciplined ones.
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Funny, in my area the foreigners and the elderly seem to be the disciplined ones.

Should we exchange flats/areas?
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Re: Mask dodgers

Was on the train this morning in first class from Bern to Zurich. A woman got on with the mask around her chin only and proceeded to apply makeup and talk on her phone for the entire journey. I commented to the train attendant and he just nodded his head and shrugged his shoulders. He mentioned something to her politely and she said she was a "government employee" which only makes her behavior worse. I doubt it was even true...

Since I'm going through a difficult time, I decided perhaps it was best not to cross this woman today as I might take it too far. I do see some who are perhaps mentally incapacitated locally on the trams etc. and I leave them be...but when I see a healthy young woman who just wants to do what she wants to do without the consideration of others, it really chaps my hide.
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There's more scientific evidence that they provide benefit than there is evidence they cause harm. So what's the problem?
It depends what one describes has "harm". There is also evidence that smoking helps prevent Covid. What it comes down to is why are we forced to wear something that isn't necessary? Whilst not providing any physical harm, masks are dehumanising and uncomfortable. By wearing one, one is also indirectly agreeing to their efficacy and is compelled to agree to the opinions of the state, which is based on politics and not science.
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Re: Mask dodgers

I went to my local Coop (Affoltern am Albis) last Saturday and it was absolutely heaving; the busiest I've ever seen it - even more so than in the thick of Christmas time.

I saw a total of 3 people aside from myself wearing a mask. It was The Great Big Family Day Out. I was pretty floored by the levels of outright thoughtlessness and plain stupidity.

I feel that if we are to wear masks, quarantine ourselves and work from home - that there should be a moratorium on family outings to supermarkets. There should be a rule that only one person, and in exceptional and justifiable cases, maximum 2 members of a family can be out food shopping for a family.

It was stunning and I'm surprised that this is allowed. I was in Romandie 10 days ago and was refused entry into a Coop garage unless I had a mask. I had my masks in the car and forgot to put one on. I could go back and fetch a mask. They seemed more disciplined about it down there.

Also, there's an inability to read social nuances here, I feel. I go to a farm to buy my veg and meat and although folks adhere to the 'only 4 in the shop' rule, you still see couples casually browsing for veg. The wife doing the shopping and the docile husband in his tailored shorts, mocassins and polo shirt offering apathetic, somnabulist support, for what? No masks worn either.

One person can do the veg shopping, the rest of you, get the **** out.

As for the queue outside, there is a complete lack of keeping distance. As soon as someone stands right up against me, and there enough space to park the Starship Enterprise around there, I move, and they just move closer. The levels of mindlessness are astounding. It's like being surrounded by Non-Playing Characters in a Sim.
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Was on the train this morning in first class from Bern to Zurich. A woman got on with the mask around her chin only and proceeded to apply makeup and talk on her phone for the entire journey. I commented to the train attendant and he just nodded his head and shrugged his shoulders. He mentioned something to her politely and she said she was a "government employee" which only makes her behavior worse. I doubt it was even true...

Since I'm going through a difficult time, I decided perhaps it was best not to cross this woman today as I might take it too far. I do see some who are perhaps mentally incapacitated locally on the trams etc. and I leave them be...but when I see a healthy young woman who just wants to do what she wants to do without the consideration of others, it really chaps my hide.
That reminds me of a Swiss female politician who after being caught driving under the influence said smth. like "Do you know who am I?" (i.e. how dare you, you don't know who're talking to) (I can look up for this scandal if you want more details). Yes, there are this type of people everywhere.
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That reminds me of a Swiss female politician who after being caught driving under the influence said smth. like "Do you know who am I?" (i.e. how dare you, you don't know who're talking to) (I can look up for this scandal if you want more details). Yes, there are this type of people everywhere.
hehe I took a picture just in case, even though "swiss privacy laws" yada yada. She wasn't Swiss...perhaps an embassy employee?

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I saw a total of 3 people aside from myself wearing a mask. It was The Great Big Family Day Out. I was pretty floored by the levels of outright thoughtlessness and plain stupidity.

I feel that if we are to wear masks, quarantine ourselves and work from home - that there should be a moratorium on family outings to supermarkets.
Agreed completely - but I would say it is more selfishness. The Swiss sadly seem to only follow rules if the government mandates that they do, rather than for the common good.

In regards to stupidity - People in Switzerland are under the impression we are out of the woods. I've been asked to come back to work, even though my company is the only big pharma who seems to and I can do my job 100 percent from home. People who are being asked to return from Spain etc., state that they feel safer there since masks are required. All of the bars are packed and people are out and about. The only difference I see is less tourists from abroad, because the EU has blocked them from entering.

We will see what happens once the winter chill sets in...
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In regards to stupidity - People in Switzerland are under the impression we are out of the woods. I've been asked to come back to work, even though my company is the only big pharma who seems to and I can do my job 100 percent from home. People who are being asked to return from Spain etc., state that they feel safer there since masks are required. All of the bars are packed and people are out and about. The only difference I see is less tourists from abroad, because the EU has blocked them from entering.
Have you checked the number of new Covid cases in Spain compared to Switzerland recently??!!
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Ghere is an Urban Myth about a US politician who butted into a United Airlines queue(line) after her flight got cancelled. She insisted that she be served first, but the agent just pointed to the queue and told her she would have to wait her turn.

Apparently the politician slapped her hand on the counter and shouted “Do you know who I am”?

The agent calmly asked her to wait until she finished dealing with the current customer, and then grabbed the PA microphone and asked the waiting room “Ladies and Gentleman, we have a lady at the counter for gate 69 who doesn’t appear to know who she is. If anyone can help this poor women could they kindly approach the counter, thank you.” She then turned to the next customer in line and began helping them.
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Have you checked the number of new Covid cases in Spain compared to Switzerland recently??!!
Yes! But this is concentrated only in certain areas...

https://www.20min.ch/story/balearen-...n-871413555808

I am still surprised that Switzerland is as low as it given the behavior and limited measures. Is it just luck? All very confusing...
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Held accountable for what exactly? Switzerland managed to Covid cases to single figure numbers WITHOUT the use of masks! The WHOs own website says that "At the present time, the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence, and there are potential benefits and harms to consider." Basically, there is very little scientific evidence that masks provide any benefit whatsoever. Certainly cloth masks that you profess to wearing provide virtually no protection at all!

We have to wear masks on public transport however not in office environments, or in shops or basically anywhere else indoors. How is that logical in any way?!

It's frightening how obedient people are (myself included), and how politics has driven this decision rather than science. I find myself only wearing a (medical) mask out of politeness and not wishing to offend or embarrass others around me. Wearing a mask in the knowledge it's very likely not of use and simply not to upset those around me isn't really a good reason to be wearing one in the first place. When I see someone not wearing a mask I think "Good on them!" and chastise myself for not being brave enough to do the same. A side effect of being British I guess
Masks are effective only when used properly, changed every few hours and once put never taken out unless you change it immediately. Which is something that nobody is doing.

You have more chances of infection with those cloth masks than without them IMO. People carry them in pockets, wrap them around arms and than they "protect" themselves with all the germs caught on the way.

Distance and hygyne seems to be the best weapon so far
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