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C’mon guys, if Rover can do it so can you!
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He's implicitly saying there is value in high quality masks though.
Yes, assuming they are also clean, worn correctly and changed regularly...

Which shows how much of a wank the whole thing is.
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Old 21.11.2020, 10:13
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or Tom who prefers to insult my faith having exhausted other avenues.
Well, in all fairness, for someone who paraded with their Christian faith, you don't look too Christian to me.

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I remain confident that time will prove me to be correct. Correct on Sweden, correct on lockdowns and eventually correct on how pointless mask mandates are!
If you're starting from this point of view, that you're right and everyone else is wrong, don't be surprised you'll have some more hard times on this forum. You said you're proud to call Switzerland your home, then I surely hope you'll comply with the rules that the Swiss government has imposed. What you think it's your business.

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Old 21.11.2020, 10:30
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Re: Mask dodgers

As someone who has been advocating mask wearing and real world fines for public transport mask dodgers from the moment I joined this forum, I must say that...

...ok I forgot the point I was going to make
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Yesterday the Spectator article I posted was tagged by Facebook’s “fact check” team as being false information. A piece by Professor Carl Heneghan, general practitioner physician, director of the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, and a Fellow of Kellogg College. He is also Editor-in-Chief of BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine.

At a single stroke Facebook have managed to eliminate any credibility that their “fact check” team have (and cast doubt on others too), validate the argument that there is little academic freedom when it comes to coronavirus study and confirm that this debate has been taken over by post-truth dogma and emotion that is stifling informed scientific debate.
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Re: Mask dodgers

Take your mind back one year (if you can). It was a criminal offence to cover the face with a mask. People laughed at you. Jeered at you. Said what an idiot he is. And now one year later its a criminal offence to NOT wear a mask. If you dont wear it people jeer at you and even get violent. What a wierd society we are!
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Old 21.11.2020, 12:13
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Tom who prefers to insult my faith having exhausted other avenues.

I don't recollect insulting your faith.

I questioned the hypocrisy of someone purporting to have Christian values but appearing to act in a contrary fashion.
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Perhaps they should ask themselves why they feel the need to be insulting. Use that oh so (allegedly) enormous lexicon of psychology for a bit of self-diagnosis and question what it is that makes one respond to a point of principle with personal attack, something that is both psychologically and philosophically frail.
They're probably miserable... and scared. A level of animosity this high and a yearning to shame/belittle others this strong is clearly mirroring some deep-seated deficiency of affection. No need to be a psychologist to get that (as if psychologists understood anything about the human mind, let alone narcissism). No wonder they feel so vulnerable to covid – this level of hostility must take its toll on immunity.
Also, something that some here don't seem to understand is: expressing criticism over rules doesn't necessarily imply non-compliance.

It's funny, two days ago, a well-appreciated infectious disease expert was on the news on tv and suggested, in-between a few sentences, that masks may not be as effective as we've thought... and that physical distancing and hand hygiene trump masks. I guess when it's an expert or someone with credentials who says it, no one bats an eye, but when a layman on the internet expresses their skepticism, the flood gates are suddenly open for the insecure, reclusive virtue signalers to hurl their fury and bully them?

Strange.
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Old 21.11.2020, 12:26
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They're probably miserable... and scared. A level of animosity this high and a yearning to shame/belittle others this strong is clearly mirroring some deep-seated deficiency of affection. No need to be a psychologist to get that (as if psychologists understood anything about the human mind, let alone narcissism). No wonder they feel so vulnerable to covid – this level of hostility must take its toll on immunity.
Also, something that some here don't seem to understand is: expressing criticism over rules doesn't necessarily imply non-compliance.

It's funny, two days ago, a well-appreciated infectious disease expert was on the news on tv and suggested, in-between a few sentences, that masks may not be as effective as we've thought... and that physical distancing and hand hygiene trump masks. I guess when it's an expert or someone with credentials who says it, no one bats an eye, but when a layman on the internet expresses their skepticism, the flood gates are suddenly open for the insecure, reclusive virtue signalers to hurl their fury and bully them?

Strange.
I saw this. Was it Didier at 7.30pm? Kudos to him. The news broadcaster seemed uncomfortable.
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Old 21.11.2020, 13:13
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Also, something that some here don't seem to understand is: expressing criticism over rules doesn't necessarily imply non-compliance.
Actually....had you read TC's posts on another thread you would have noticed that he did mention he won't comply with wearing a mask or something along the line. Of course, it might be a bravado but then again, why do that on a public forum? To which purpose? Debate? Then why not accept there are other opinions? What we had bothered to read on EF in the past months wasn't just criticism. It was a full campaign against the measures that have been taken across the world to protect not only the most vulnerable, but the whole population. Yeah, some people here couldn't just read those posts. For you it's called hostility, for others it is simply a call to rationality and responsible behaviour.
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It's funny, two days ago, a well-appreciated infectious disease expert was on the news on tv and suggested, in-between a few sentences, that masks may not be as effective as we've thought... and that physical distancing and hand hygiene trump masks. I guess when it's an expert or someone with credentials who says it, no one bats an eye, but when a layman on the internet expresses their skepticism, the flood gates are suddenly open for the insecure, reclusive virtue signalers to hurl their fury and bully them?
AFAIK no-one has ever denied that distancing is generally the most important measure.

BUT it is not always possible and indoors distancing may also not be as effective as outdoors (look up aerosol transmission). It is debated whether hand hygiene or masks are next most important - many epidemologists now believe that the hand route is only of minor importance but I am aware that is not a universally held opinion. What is close to unanimious is that all 3 are needed.

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Actually....had you read TC's posts on another thread you would have noticed that he did mention he won't comply with wearing a mask or something along the line.
I call BS. I've seen him criticise and question the efficacy of masks but I never saw him suggest he wouldn't follow the rules.
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I call BS. I've seen him criticise and question the efficacy of masks but I never saw him suggest he wouldn't follow the rules.
I can't be bothered to dig for his post(s), sorry. Call it as you wish, the post is there and it has been commented on.
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I call BS. I've seen him criticise and question the efficacy of masks but I never saw him suggest he wouldn't follow the rules.
Oh he did, he quite clearly said in at least one post that I saw that if they introduced masks wearing outdoors in Switzerland he would definitely not comply.
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I can't be bothered to dig for his post(s), sorry. Call it as you wish, the post is there and it has been commented on.
Yep, post 15069 in the main Coronavirus thread

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If this totally idiotic proposal finds its way to the rest of Switzerland, it will really be the time to stop going along with this charade because it makes people suckered in by Covid propaganda feel more comfortable and outright not comply with it. I simply won't do it!
Fancy apologising, Full Circle?

Edit - oh you've been banned while I was searching. Good.
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Re: Mask dodgers

Thank you, baboon. Yes, it's here and he repeats the idea in a couple of more posts.

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...virus-754.html

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Btw, that's not his only "bravado" post....but really, going back to read again what TC has written there....

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Right back at you! How long should we go into lockdown for? A week? A month? 3 months? Until May next year? And then what? Wait for the numbers to rise again and then return to lockdown? Hope that a vaccine proves effective?

I propose that governments stop just focusing on the virus in their response and look at the bigger picture. Instead of just displaying graphs with the Covid infection rate, or hospitalisations or deaths, how about they display a few graphs with the health problems created by lockdown? Or showing the effect of lockdown on the economy and the implications of that?

This shouldn't be about saving Covid lives, it should be about saving lives PERIOD. This means having competent people in charge who are able to balance the risks. This is why Sweden is leading the world in their response.



If this totally idiotic proposal finds its way to the rest of Switzerland, it will really be the time to stop going along with this charade because it makes people suckered in by Covid propaganda feel more comfortable and outright not comply with it. I simply won't do it!

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Who won? It is like kindergarten in here
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Btw, that's not his only "bravado" post....but really, going back to read again what TC has written there....
One would have to be a total masochist to do that.
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Who won? It is like kindergarten in here
Indeed. Accusing someone of writing BS when it was so easy to be proven wrong...

The funny part is fmf and mc have thanked full circle's post even after the famous quote has been taken out to the light.

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Indeed. Accusing someone of writing BS when it was so easy to be proven wrong...

The funny part is fmf and mc have thanked full circle's post even after the famous quote has been taken out to the light.

Hilarious.
But free speech, yo
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