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Old 21.11.2020, 15:54
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Yup, the archaeologists (kindergarteners) have been out in force to dig out old posts in order to quote them out of context. Just to clarify, I have said that if a mask mandate is ever brought into force in Switzerland for outdoor areas then I won't comply. Zero evidence to support this has any benefit plus the nice example of Italy who brought in such a requirement and has gone into lockdown again after hitting 40,000 cases per day. But MASKS!!!
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Old 21.11.2020, 16:06
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Yup, the archaeologists (kindergarteners) have been out in force to dig out old posts in order to quote them out of context. Just to clarify, I have said that if a mask mandate is ever brought into force in Switzerland for outdoor areas then I won't comply. Zero evidence to support this has any benefit plus the nice example of Italy who brought in such a requirement and has gone into lockdown again after hitting 40,000 cases per day. But MASKS!!!
It wasn't out of context and Greenmount even included the whole post above. What you wrote in that post (and again above) is exactly what Greenmount wrote and what KK - sorry Full Circle - accused her of lying about.

To remind you, as it seems you didn't bother to read it, below is what Greenmount posted. What exactly is incorrect or out of context here?

FWIW I wouldn't argue that a blanket outdoor mask requirement is stupid. But in crowds - markets, ski lift queues, whatever - they have their place.
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Actually....had you read TC's posts on another thread you would have noticed that he did mention he won't comply with wearing a mask or something along the line.
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Old 21.11.2020, 16:27
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Oh he did, he quite clearly said in at least one post that I saw that if they introduced masks wearing outdoors in Switzerland he would definitely not comply.

You really have to be brain dead to comply with outdoor mask rule.
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Old 21.11.2020, 16:47
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You really have to be brain dead to comply with outdoor mask rule.
You have to be brain dead to not look at the bigger picture.
Wearing a mask whilst out and about walking in the street or whatever is indeed stupid, in crowded areas such as markets etc where distance can’t be respected then they make more sense.

I don’t see why people on here seem to think everything is an either or scenario regarding masks.
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You really have to be brain dead to comply with outdoor mask rule.
I took my life in my hands and trundled into Basel for a couple of outside beers prior to Monday lockdown.

The police were out telling people to put their masks on, along the main drags.
Seems they are serious about the 1.5m rule.
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Yup, the archaeologists (kindergarteners) have been out in force to dig out old posts in order to quote them out of context. Just to clarify, I have said that if a mask mandate is ever brought into force in Switzerland for outdoor areas then I won't comply. Zero evidence to support this has any benefit plus the nice example of Italy who brought in such a requirement and has gone into lockdown again after hitting 40,000 cases per day. But MASKS!!!
I would have spared your the embarrassment but full circle has insisted....

Some people here remind me of arguing with toddlers.....

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Old 21.11.2020, 19:20
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Fear not, I'm not going anywhere, what I meant is that I won't engage with dinner party bores who have come here to add nothing to the debate and with the sole purpose of being insulting.

Whether it be Kittster who feels that because he/she has read some books it allows them to come up with the hilariously simplified and absurd (can we call it the Chuff diagnosis?) that "everyone who doesn't agree with me is a psychopath", or Tom who prefers to insult my faith having exhausted other avenues.

Perhaps they should ask themselves why they feel the need to be insulting. Use that oh so (allegedly) enormous lexicon of psychology for a bit of self-diagnosis and question what it is that makes one respond to a point of principle with personal attack, something that is both psychologically and philosophically frail.

I remain confident that time will prove me to be correct. Correct on Sweden, correct on lockdowns and eventually correct on how pointless mask mandates are!
Ah, the happy Swedes, looks like they will soon be facing death rates multiple times their neighbours again.

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Hospitalizations are rising sharply, and this week intensive care nurses at two of the Stockholm region’s hospitals were moved back to the same 12-hour shifts they worked during the first wave of the pandemic in the spring.

The concern now is that the Nordic country could be on the same trajectory as the likes of the Czech Republic, Austria and Luxembourg, which are currently seeing a 14-day cumulative number of cases of over 1,000 per 100,000 people.
And from your favourite source, the Daily Mail
Sweden now has a higher Covid-19 infection rate than France or Britain after shunning lockdowns.
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Old 21.11.2020, 21:30
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Yup, the archaeologists (kindergarteners) have been out in force to dig out old posts in order to quote them out of context. Just to clarify, I have said that if a mask mandate is ever brought into force in Switzerland for outdoor areas then I won't comply. Zero evidence to support this has any benefit plus the nice example of Italy who brought in such a requirement and has gone into lockdown again after hitting 40,000 cases per day. But MASKS!!!
Gets boring sharing the same facts to an audience who are not interested in facts.

"the nice example of Italy"; please do share how you managed to eliminate all the other relevant factors so it was all reduced to mask wearing
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Old 22.11.2020, 20:39
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Re: Mask dodgers

A study has come out in Nature from a study carried out in Wuhan, to cut a long story short, they didn't find any evidence of viral transmission from a asymptomatic positive person. Just imagine if this is confirmed elsewhere, the whole theory of "wearing masks to protect others" will be proven to have been pointless, not only that, locking down and quarantining the healthy too!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
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Old 22.11.2020, 20:55
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A study has come out in Nature from a study carried out in Wuhan, to cut a long story short, they didn't find any evidence of viral transmission from a asymptomatic positive person. Just imagine if this is confirmed elsewhere, the whole theory of "wearing masks to protect others" will be proven to have been pointless, not only that, locking down and quarantining the healthy too!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
Nope. The survey doesn't look at virus transmission in normal symptomatic cases in the couple of days before the symptoms show. It is very well established that most transmission occurs in this pre-symptomatic period.

Every single person I know who got covid (quite a few now) was infected in thus period. So every reason to wear masks and quarantine.
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A study has come out in Nature from a study carried out in Wuhan, to cut a long story short, they didn't find any evidence of viral transmission from a asymptomatic positive person. Just imagine if this is confirmed elsewhere, the whole theory of "wearing masks to protect others" will be proven to have been pointless, not only that, locking down and quarantining the healthy too!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
The Danish study which demonstrates mask-wearing does very little to mitigate the spread of corona virus is labeled as false by Facebook. No place for science these days

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A study has come out in Nature from a study carried out in Wuhan, to cut a long story short, they didn't find any evidence of viral transmission from a asymptomatic positive person. Just imagine if this is confirmed elsewhere, the whole theory of "wearing masks to protect others" will be proven to have been pointless, not only that, locking down and quarantining the healthy too!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
You should really consider giving up reading scientific studies because you fail to understand their conclusions.
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You really have to be brain dead to comply with outdoor mask rule.
Uhuh. Right. Yesterday in Baden's city centre everyone was wearing a mask in the street, there were signs at every corner. Maybe they were all zombies, who knows.
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The Danish study which demonstrates mask-wearing does very little to mitigate the spread of corona virus is labeled as false by Facebook. No place for science these days
Another one who fails to understand scientific studies.
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Old 22.11.2020, 21:55
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The Danish study which demonstrates mask-wearing does very little to mitigate the spread of corona virus is labeled as false by Facebook. No place for science these days
If you actually read this Danish study you will find
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Old 22.11.2020, 23:19
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Nope. The survey doesn't look at virus transmission in normal symptomatic cases in the couple of days before the symptoms show. It is very well established that most transmission occurs in this pre-symptomatic period.

Every single person I know who got covid (quite a few now) was infected in thus period. So every reason to wear masks and quarantine.
The CDC seem to believe that the virus is spread most by people without symptoms, which contradicts the study performed in Wuhan. I also remember both the WHO and Dr Fauci telling us that that asymptomatic and presymptomatic has never been the driver behind respiratory borne viruses not so long ago, I think the WHO study was rescinded. The jury is still out.

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Uhuh. Right. Yesterday in Baden's city centre everyone was wearing a mask in the street, there were signs at every corner. Maybe they were all zombies, who knows.
I was also in Baden yesterday afternoon funnily enough, if I were to guess I would estimate that a maximum of 40% of people were wearing masks in the high street!
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The CDC seem to believe that the virus is spread most by people without symptoms, which contradicts the study performed in Wuhan.
No it doesn't. The Wuhan study conclusions only concern infections that were wholly asymptomatic - those with no covid symptoms at any point. As per the CDC (and many others), those that do eventually show symptoms the infectious period starts about 2 days before the onset of symptoms.

Now please stop trying to manufacture conclusions to fit your personal agenda.
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No it doesn't. The Wuhan study conclusions only concern infections that were wholly asymptomatic - those with no covid symptoms at any point. As per the CDC (and many others), those that do eventually show symptoms the infectious period starts about 2 days before the onset of symptoms.

Now please stop trying to manufacture conclusions to fit your personal agenda.
You mean like the manufactured conclusions that overturned 4 decades of agreed scientific understanding on the efficacy of masks within the space of a year?

Papers based on modelling have found a stronger link between presymptomatic and asymptomatic cases and infection than those based on measured contact tracing studies.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1046-6

Not to say it is not possible, however it would go against most previous understanding on how airborne respiratory viruses are transmitted.
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The Danish study which demonstrates mask-wearing does very little to mitigate the spread of corona virus is labeled as false by Facebook.
That’s not what the study shows nor is it what the study was designed to show.
The internet is full of armchair scientists these days.
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That’s not what the study shows nor is it what the study was designed to show.
The internet is full of armchair scientists these days.
Yeah. More like warfare trolls than armchair scientists to me, as that would imply genuine reasoning errors, and it's really not worth spending any more time arguing with the likes.
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