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Old 23.11.2020, 10:31
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...Papers based on modelling have found a stronger link between presymptomatic and asymptomatic cases and infection than those based on measured contact tracing studies.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1046-6

Not to say it is not possible, however it would go against most previous understanding on how airborne respiratory viruses are transmitted.
Funny because I had always understood that many diseases begin transmission before symptoms show. I quickly checked for flu and seems the CDC agree with me.

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Not so different to Covid except that is some 2 days before (which fits in again with the cases I personally know of).

Your link, btw, was a very early study and anyway does not say what you appear to think it does - it actually draws no conclusion at all on pre-symptomatic transmission as there was (then) insufficient data.

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. A review of several COVID-19 case studies found multiple instances of transmission before symptom onset. However, it is difficult to determine the proportion of pre- and post-symptom onset transmission from individual case studies, because there is little to no information on the number of asymptomatic/presymptomatic COVID-19 cases that had close contacts but did not result in a transmission event.
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Old 23.11.2020, 15:13
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Re: Mask dodgers

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It makes absolutely no sense. All the evidence, as weak as is, has shown that masks may only have a minor effect in small enclosed areas.

Fortunately, as with the ridiculous quarantine regulations, this will also be unenforceable, so you needn't worry about me complaining about getting fined! If this does indeed come into force tomorrow, I actually see it as a moral obligation to disregard it. Compliance is basically an endorsement of this lunacy
If there are more people like you, I do hope they'll introduce fines for not complying with the rules. We'll you be screaming and kicking then?
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Old 23.11.2020, 16:32
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Re: Mask dodgers

Under review paper r.e. masks for anyone who's interested...

https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/wuk6a/
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Old 23.11.2020, 16:37
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Another quote from you, Tony.



If there are more people like you, I do hope they'll introduce fines for not complying with the rules. We'll you be screaming and kicking then?

Ah good old Phos....
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Old 23.11.2020, 17:40
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Re: Mask dodgers

Not quite - the asymptomatic positive cases were isolated for 2 weeks until they tested negative. Which would mitigate probability of asymptomatic transmission.

Any more cherries you have picked, lately?

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A study has come out in Nature from a study carried out in Wuhan, to cut a long story short, they didn't find any evidence of viral transmission from a asymptomatic positive person. Just imagine if this is confirmed elsewhere, the whole theory of "wearing masks to protect others" will be proven to have been pointless, not only that, locking down and quarantining the healthy too!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
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Old 23.11.2020, 17:49
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Ah good old Phos....
Phos would be holding a gun to protect his rights.....
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Old 23.11.2020, 18:02
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Phos would be holding a gun to protect his rights.....
Yeah, but he's British now, right?
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Old 24.11.2020, 09:38
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Re: Mask dodgers

@Clifton - I believe you referred to yourself before as christian? Well Pope Francis is gunning for you!

Pope says anti-maskers stuck in 'their own little world of interests'
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Old 24.11.2020, 09:45
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Re: Mask dodgers

On the radio this morning they were discussing about how it's now the "in thing" for train travelers to eat and drink on the train so that they don't have to wear masks, particularly in Zurich.

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On the radio this morning they were discussing about how it's now the "in thing" for train travelers to eat and drink on the train so that they don't have to wear masks, particularly in Zurich.

Tom
Oh goodness. I guess for some it was a shortly lived relief from smelling other people's tuna sandwiches and kebabs.
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Old 24.11.2020, 09:48
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@Clifton - I believe you referred to yourself before as christian? Well Pope Francis is gunning for you!
I'm afraid, I don't think he's that sort of Christian.

More this sort:

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Coronavirus: Televangelist Kenneth Copeland ‘blows wind of God’ at Covid-19 to ‘destroy’ pandemic


Here

It was back in April but still hasn't worked.
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Old 24.11.2020, 11:09
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I'm afraid, I don't think he's that sort of Christian.

More this sort:
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That's just....scary stuff.

Don't know what TC is, but (s)he really took pleasure in stirring people up....well, mission accomplished.
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I'm afraid, I don't think he's that sort of Christian.

More this sort:
If ever someone actually looked like the spawn of Satan, it's Kenneth Copeland in that 'laughing' clip. Creepy as hell! He sets my inner 3yr old screaming "Bad man!"

*waiting for TC's groan*

Another Evangelist group apparently got themselves into a spot of bother with Zurich Stadtpolizei yesterday for this little stunt... https://twitter.com/FraschDennis/sta...03133247299584
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Old 24.11.2020, 12:40
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*waiting for TC's groan*
TC is groaning a lot these days, isn't he? He got smacked down by the American people when his hero, Donald Trump, got obliterated at the polls, he's been spanked by EFers and scientists disproving his unfounded assertions over the pandemic and masks... I guess he's butthurt, as our American friends say, and just not ready to turn the other cheek.
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Old 24.11.2020, 12:44
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Another Evangelist group apparently got themselves into a spot of bother with Zurich Stadtpolizei yesterday for this little stunt... https://twitter.com/FraschDennis/sta...03133247299584
The apostrophe in "Nazi's" bothers me more than the stunt!
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Old 24.11.2020, 12:51
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Yup, the archaeologists (kindergarteners) have been out in force to dig out old posts in order to quote them out of context.
Don't sweat it

Almost everybody here in this very thread turned around about at least point regarding covid and measures. Such is the way humans process new situations.
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Old 24.11.2020, 13:06
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Don't sweat it

Almost everybody here in this very thread turned around about at least point regarding covid and measures. Such is the way humans process new situations.

And some people disregard news and data if it doesn´t fit their view of things.
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Don't sweat it

Almost everybody here in this very thread turned around about at least point regarding covid and measures. Such is the way humans process new situations.

What does this mean? Good faith enquiry etc etc. Confused.


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And some people disregard news and data if it doesn´t fit their view of things.
Lot of that about.
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What does this mean? Good faith enquiry etc etc. Confused.
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I just ate a waffle. Anything?

Don't sweat it.

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And some people disregard news and data if it doesn´t fit their view of things.
Exactly. Though few things have essentially changed since the whole thing has started. We've been told to avoid travelling*, we've been told to keep physical distance, hygiene rules, later on when masks were available - to wear masks..

*some people were protesting against that too.

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TC is groaning a lot these days, isn't he? He got smacked down by the American people when his hero, Donald Trump, got obliterated at the polls, he's been spanked by EFers and scientists disproving his unfounded assertions over the pandemic and masks... I guess he's butthurt, as our American friends say, and just not ready to turn the other cheek.
One can hardly call it "spanked" by Efers when those that don't conform to the "EF" view fall foul of the shameless partisan moderation that plagues these pages. Like our friend Full Circle who appears to have been banned for "repeated insults", they must be the wrong kind of insults compared to those that get hurled in my general direction

I groan when people try to make a discussion personal with the sole purpose of trying to provoke a response. Rather like trying to associate my name with Donald Trump, which by the very act is Trumpian behavior. Repeat a lie often enough and all that.

It's not worth my while to engage on such a level, and I won't be feeding the trolls.

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