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Old 25.08.2020, 13:50
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It's far easier to protect those vulnerable than to incarcerate the whole population. Whoever is afraid of this flu can barricade himself at home, nothing wrong about that, but to expect everybody to do it it's quite selfish and disastrous to the general population.
It's a bit more than just a flu.
I'm absolutely horrifed from getting a severe cause with real shortness of breath since i almost died from croup cough (the bad version) as a toddler. Even when I wake up with a cold and a blocked nose I get a small panick attack.
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Re: Mask dodgers

Although the death per infection rate is much lower for youngsters, it is not zero. People are continuing to die. And those that do not die are contagious and spreading it when they refuse to distance or wear a mask in the Migros, or in a crowded street, or in the bars.

Everyone should be thinking about what will happen if their mum and dad get it. Or perhaps WHEN the get it.
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Old 25.08.2020, 14:14
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Although the death per infection rate is much lower for youngsters, it is not zero. People are continuing to die. And those that do not die are contagious and spreading it when they refuse to distance or wear a mask in the Migros, or in a crowded street, or in the bars.

Everyone should be thinking about what will happen if their mum and dad get it. Or perhaps WHEN the get it.
Exactly, it's a question of when and not if. We have no immunity and, with all due respect to the russsians , are still months away from a effective vaccine.

So let's keep the numbers low and some hospital bets empty, but don't assume that we can prevent that the majority of switzerland gets in contact with the virus.
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So sorry for you to project your unfulfilled desires to those who want to experience and live life as one should.
That gave me a laugh... I have never had a desire to go clubbing. I'm more of a pub and concert gal and have actively enjoyed that kind of lifestyle up to my current age, except it isn't an option now.

And guess what? We all have to do things we don't like sometimes for the betterment of ourselves and/or society. Short term suffering for long term gain... too bad there are so many selfish people in this world he can't see past the point of "me me me me".

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It's far easier to protect those vulnerable than to incarcerate the whole population. Whoever is afraid of this flu can barricade himself at home, nothing wrong about that, but to expect everybody to do it it's quite selfish and disastrous to the general population.
I won't even touch on your ridiculous "flu" comment. But do you think BAG will go back on their word and now recommend that my employer allow me to work from home? Because SBB's lobbying took away my option to barricade myself in my home while remaining financially secure/employed. I don't expect others to be barricaded if they feel like they can risk it, I just request that we make some small sacrifices like practicing social distancing and wearing masks when you can't.

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I'm absolutely horrifed from getting a severe cause with real shortness of breath since i almost died from croup cough (the bad version) as a toddler. Even when I wake up with a cold and a blocked nose I get a small panick attack.
Most people don't know the horrible feeling is to struggling for breath, it is terrifying and you don't ever forget it. I almost died a few times with my severe childhood asthma. I'm sure the anti-maskers etc. would change their mind if they experienced it even for one minute.
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Old 25.08.2020, 20:37
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Re: Mask dodgers

"I'm absolutely horrifed from getting a severe cause with real shortness of breath since i almost died from croup cough (the bad version) as a toddler."


I used to get croup as a toddler and remember it being very, very scary. Both my sister and my cousin caught whopping cough as babies in the early 50s and they were baptised by a Church of Scotland minister in the middle of the night as the doctor thought they would die. My brother had an emergency tracheotomy on the kitchen table due to diptheria. Grateful diseases like that have been almost eradicated.
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Old 26.08.2020, 08:26
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Re: Mask dodgers

Hey friends, I was on the train yesterday and a mask Nazi started kicking off because someone wasn't wearing a mask. An argument ensued and the conductor was called, when they arrived the poor lady who had endured the abuse pointed out she was eating. Conductor said that was fine and left her to it!

So moral of the story, if you don't want to wear a mask on the train, just have a small bottle of water, or something small to eat with you and then you don't have to!
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Old 26.08.2020, 09:13
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Masks are effective only when used properly, changed every few hours and once put never taken out unless you change it immediately. Which is something that nobody is doing.

You have more chances of infection with those cloth masks than without them IMO. People carry them in pockets, wrap them around arms and than they "protect" themselves with all the germs caught on the way.

Distance and hygyne seems to be the best weapon so far



But that's also because of the confusing communication, no? It's not OVERLY difficult to do it correctly. People have just not been thought how to handle them.
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Old 26.08.2020, 09:22
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So moral of the story, if you don't want to wear a mask on the train, just have a small bottle of water, or something small to eat with you and then you don't have to!
One has to celebrate the small victories in life as well right?

What a sad, defiant statement coming from an adult.
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What a sad, defiant statement coming from an adult.
Given the posting history, that is assuming a lot.
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One has to celebrate the small victories in life as well right?

What a sad, defiant statement coming from an adult.
Just following the rules

https://news.sbb.ch/artikel/95750/co...men?printpdf=1

p.s. adults question rules, children follow blindly

p.p.s. Still no conclusive medical evidence that masks work.
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One has to celebrate the small victories in life as well right?

What a sad, defiant statement coming from an adult.

I appreciated his irony.
The OP is illustrating the lack of critical thinking that has brought us to the current state.

Woosh.
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p.p.s. Still no conclusive medical evidence that masks work.
Welcome to the world which is not black and white.
Yes, the masks don't protect the others around you 100%.
But if they reduce the chances by even 10% they are worth using to a socially responsible person.

Do you apply the same reasoning to everything else in life?
Seatbelts don't prevent injuries and death in 100% of accidents - do you defy using them just to be "morally right" too?
Good luck then.
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Welcome to the world which is not black and white.
Yes, the masks don't protect the others around you 100%.
But if they reduce the chances by even 10% they are worth using to a socially responsible person.

Do you apply the same reasoning to everything else in life?
Seatbelts don't prevent injuries and death in 100% of accidents - do you defy using them just to be "morally right" too?
Good luck then.



What a wonderful world we live in. One part of the world population doesn't believe in science at all and another part largely doesn't understand it and hides behind it whenever convenient to not have to do the sensible thing.


There are tons of things every day that we do for which there is no scientific proof that it works. For other things it might be scientifically proven that it works, but nobody checks it and just relies on common sense and unscientific experience. But for masks that are in use for 100 years we suddenly need scientific proof in the midst of a pandemic.







I am sure that people who argue that way read scientific papers on "Does locking doors to prevent break-ins?" and "Do fridges actually work?" and only go to the toilet when it is scientifically proven that it is really necessary. Not a straw man at all!
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Welcome to the world which is not black and white.
Yes, the masks don't protect the others around you 100%.
But if they reduce the chances by even 10% they are worth using to a socially responsible person.

Do you apply the same reasoning to everything else in life?
Seatbelts don't prevent injuries and death in 100% of accidents - do you defy using them just to be "morally right" too?
Good luck then.
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What a wonderful world we live in. One part of the world population doesn't believe in science at all and another part largely doesn't understand it and hides behind it whenever convenient to not have to do the sensible thing.


There are tons of things every day that we do for which there is no scientific proof that it works. For other things it might be scientifically proven that it works, but nobody checks it and just relies on common sense and unscientific experience. But for masks that are in use for 100 years we suddenly need scientific proof in the midst of a pandemic.


I am sure that people who argue that way read scientific papers on "Does locking doors to prevent break-ins?" and "Do fridges actually work?" and only go to the toilet when it is scientifically proven that it is really necessary. Not a straw man at all!
You may have a point were masks not demonstrably dehumanising and uncomfortable to wear. Seat belts are not, plus they are proven to be effective (unlike masks).
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Most people don't know the horrible feeling is to struggling for breath, it is terrifying and you don't ever forget it. I almost died a few times with my severe childhood asthma. I'm sure the anti-maskers etc. would change their mind if they experienced it even for one minute.
Flavio Briatore, an Italian billionare who used to claim that Covid was not that bad and that keeping (his) businesses open was more important, is now in hospital with Covid...karma is a bitch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...-hospital.html
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Old 26.08.2020, 11:00
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You may have a point were masks not demonstrably dehumanising and uncomfortable to wear. Seat belts are not, plus they are proven to be effective (unlike masks).
Are you missing seeing all those warm smiles from the others commuters at zürich HB?
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Are you missing seeing all those warm smiles from the others commuters at zürich HB?
If you're half deaf like I am then it's hard to understand what people are saying when a mask is covering their face.
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If you're half deaf like I am then it's hard to understand what people are saying when a mask is covering their face.
I agree that mask certainly influence social interactions, especially in your case. Dehumanizing is still taking it too far though.
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Old 26.08.2020, 11:19
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p.s. adults question rules, children follow blindly

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Not really, plenty of children question rules too.
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Not really, plenty of children question rules too.
It seems plenty of adults never quite escape the Trotzphase.
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