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Re: SBB fine for 38 seconds late ticket

Sorry if I missed the point...

If I buy a ticket at a machine or from the counter with timestamp 9am intending to catch the 09.15 train...by coincidence on the platform is the delayed 8.45 train to my destination about to depart, am I allowed to board it or will I get a fine on inspection?
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Old 08.10.2020, 10:46
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If I buy a ticket at a machine or from the counter with timestamp 9am intending to catch the 09.15 train...by coincidence on the platform is the delayed 8.45 train to my destination about to depart, am I allowed to board it or will I get a fine on inspection?

This happened to me about a year ago, traveling from Zurich back to Lugano. I'd forgotten to charge my phone overnight and it was flat so I bought my ticket at the station and then boarded the train which ran through to Milan which was about 10 minutes late in leaving. I didn't even think about it at the time and had no problem on ticket inspection.


On reflection, in this instance there should be no problem as you have a valid ticket and you cannot buy one of those on the train if you are physically on the train!
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Sorry if I missed the point...

If I buy a ticket at a machine or from the counter with timestamp 9am intending to catch the 09.15 train...by coincidence on the platform is the delayed 8.45 train to my destination about to depart, am I allowed to board it or will I get a fine on inspection?
Yes, isnít it ridiculous?
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Old 08.10.2020, 12:12
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am I allowed to board it or will I get a fine on inspection?
The rule is simple: You need to be in possession of a valid ticket when the train departs. Unless you also regularly travel in a blue box or a pimped Delorean, not having a valid ticked when you got from the machine or counter is a bit of temporal impossibility (considering destination, class, fare level, etc. are all correct).

But as the rule goes, there is no rule w/o an exception or a sign w/o its story. You dear Nick might call yourself Baseler, and also act like a true Bebbi, but as you now live in Zurich you should be aware about the 9-o-clock pass.

In the past the SBB had the stance that for the 9-o-clock pass it was only valid on trains with a scheduled departure on or after 9 am sharp. This is and was in contrast to the ZVV Tarif 651.8 Section 3.8.3 where it clearly states that the actual departure time is relevant. In the past this lead some angered discussion, specially in Fehraltdorf as the scheduled departure time of a particular run was suddenly 8:59 instead 9:00. However the actual departure time was still always after 9:00 https://zueriost.ch/bezirk-pfaffikon...tung-hat/66118

More important are the rules for the SBB seven25-Abo (formerly known as Gleis7). There the scheduled departure time, and not the actual departure time is relevant! (Tarif 654, Section 6.1.2.1 ) But on the other side also the scheduled arrival time is relevant, if your run is late you are still good even if the seven25-Abo is valid only till 5am sharp.
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you cannot buy one of those on the train if you are physically on the train!
Except the woman in the 20min article says she made her purchase before she got on the train.
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Except the woman in the 20min article says she made her purchase before she got on the train.
"One of those", a physical ticket. The woman did not have one of those.
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Re: SBB fine for 38 seconds late ticket

So in other words, it would seem there are certain things you can do with a paper ticket that you cannot do with a nominally equivalent electronic ticket.
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Re: SBB fine for 38 seconds late ticket

The story sounds to me like a click-bait.

Nonetheless, I've also paid an SBB fine. I was wrong about the end-date of my local abo. When the inspectors came they kind of surrounded me in the metro speaking only in French amongst themselves. I could immediately feel that something is going on. Overall it was very unpleasant as they treated me as a cheater without me giving them any reason for that. Eventually they told me in English that my abo ended two days ago. I like to think that people, especially law enforcement, assume first you are innocent but many times life gives me examples that it's not true. When you genuinely make a mistake their default is to assume the worst.
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Re: SBB fine for 38 seconds late ticket

I think I know what the problem is. The ticket is valid from hh:m to hh:mm. Below, there's a line that says hh:mm:ss of ticket being sold. By Occam's razor, controllers just compare the solid to the valid time. No one cares at actual train departure time, or door closing time or whatever.



So, if the sold time is later than valid time, it's basically asking for trouble when encountering an uptight controller. If boarding a train running late, better get a paper ticket or prepare to fight the system.



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Sorry if I missed the point...

If I buy a ticket at a machine or from the counter with timestamp 9am intending to catch the 09.15 train...by coincidence on the platform is the delayed 8.45 train to my destination about to depart, am I allowed to board it or will I get a fine on inspection?
It depends on the type of ticket you bought. Intercity tickets are valid for a route at any time during the full day of service (usually from around 4am to 1am the following day), and you can jump off a train and board another one on the same route as many times as you want for as long as you move in the same direction, e.g I could buy a Geneva-Lausanne ticket for the 21 of October and board a random train to Nyon, go out for a stroll, catch the next train to Rolle, and keep doing this until I reached Lausanne. In this case, you can board the train no problem as the time doesn't really matter for as long as you have a ticket for that day/direction/route before the doors close.

However, common tariff systems operate on a timed basis, with time being added as required by the number of zones crossed. These are the urban areas of Geneva (unireso), Vaud (mobilis), Neuch‚tel (ondeverte), Zurich (ZVV) etc. If this is the case you would not be allowed to board the train, as you would be cheating the system (you got a 1-hour ticket from 9.15am meaning that your trip can last until 10.15am, but if you board at 9am you could be using your ticket for 1h15 instead of 1 hour)

Edit: speaking of tickets, once I broke another rule, but the ticket controller was not sure about it and since she had to ask to a supervisor she came back and just told me to be aware of it for the next time. If you have several tickets, you can use them all for as long as they are valid from a train stop. I had a 1-hour ticket valid for the canton of Geneva, so I boarded a train to Lausanne and I bought an extra ticket from the last station in the canton of Geneva (Versoix) to Lausanne, as although the train was not stopping in Versoix it was passing through that station. It turns out you can only do this if the train stops in that last stop, otherwise it is forbidden. Say that it stopped in Bellevue only (a station between Geneva and Versoix), I could have used the 1-hour tariff ticket to Bellevue and bought a ticket to Lausanne from there no problem.

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