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Old 19.02.2008, 09:43
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Couldn't agree more, why bother coming to Switzerland?
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Old 19.02.2008, 09:53
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My family is on a three year plan to move to Zurich.

I do not eat pork or anything with pork in it.

I don't care for cream sauces.

I don't care for pickled items.

I NEED a US Grade-A cut of med-rare beef tenderloin fillet at least once every two weeks.

I NEED Mexican food.

I NEED Samuel Adams beer-six-pack every two days.

Am I completely screwed?

Yes - stay at home.
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Old 19.02.2008, 09:55
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Couldn't agree more, why bother coming to Switzerland?
Thats harsh most people come to Switzerland initially because of work not for the food.


We eat food from all cultures but I still maintain a huge stock of English staples and my wife would die if she was cut off from her Thai food.

I have lived in 6 different countries on 3 continents and now can say I enjoy pretty much all the foods equally(with the exception of deep fried bat )
I do agree that arriving with the intention of living in a US enclave will make it much harder to fit in but they allowed a few luxuries on Desert Island discs so its not unreasonable to source a few of those in Switzerland.
My kids in the UK always demand coop rosti when I visit them in the UK so its a 2 way street.
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Old 19.02.2008, 09:59
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My family is on a three year plan to move to Zurich.

I do not eat pork or anything with pork in it.

I don't care for cream sauces.

I don't care for pickled items.

I NEED a US Grade-A cut of med-rare beef tenderloin fillet at least once every two weeks.

I NEED Mexican food.

I NEED Samuel Adams beer-six-pack every two days.

Am I completely screwed?
Yes, you are royally hosed. The Swiss eat lots of pork which is fairly cheap but I find the quality and taste to be lacking. Good beef is unobtainable or super-expensive or low quality or a combination thereof. I usually bring a bunch of beef and pork from the US with me when I travel.

Mexican food here? I doubt it ... there is a thread about it somewhere. I cook TexMex at home with self-imported tortillas, salsas and spices.

Sam Adams? Nope. But they do have some ok microbreweries.

At least the weather won't be different than North Dakota.

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Old 19.02.2008, 10:13
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Yes, you are royally hosed. The Swiss eat lots of pork which is fairly cheap but I find the quality and taste to be lacking. Good beef is unobtainable or super-expensive or low quality or a combination thereof. I usually bring a bunch of beef and pork from the US with me when I travel.

Mexican food here? I doubt it ... there is a thread about it somewhere. I cook TexMex at home with self-imported tortillas, salsas and spices.

Sam Adams? Nope. But they do have some ok microbreweries.

At least the weather won't be different than North Dakota.

I seem to remember bottles of Sam Adams on sale in most Coops and Manors. I had a bottle of it once and it was disgusting. Either they brew it over here and murder it or it is an acquired taste.
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Your stay in Switzerland , or any other country for that matter, will be much more successful if you open yourself to local foods, languages, customs, traditions and lifestyles. Making a list of stuff you can and cannot have is going to lead to problems and may be a sign of a deeper inability to fit in over here.

You are not 'screwed', more like you are screwing yourself...
This is a very good point! You have no idea what's in store for you - you may have a whole new list of favorite foods after living in Switzerland a while! You may find a local beer you prefer to Sam Adams, who knows?

Whenever I go back to the US, I could almost cry over missing my favorite Swiss dairy products.

That said, do yourself a favor and figure out how you are going to manage without the possibility of buying fresh tortillas!
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Old 19.02.2008, 11:33
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Good beef is unobtainable or super-expensive or low quality or a combination thereof. I usually bring a bunch of beef and pork from the US with me when I travel.
No question good beef isn't cheap here but is it true that good Swiss beef is unobtainable? Our local butchers sell good beef, most of it locally produced. Our local coop superstore even labels it by the farm it was produced on so they take some pride in it. I've never been to North Dakota and I would call myself a beef connaisseur but I've eaten US produced beef in Europe and Asia and I honestly can't say it was that memorable. Is the beef here really that bad compared to US produced beef.
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No question good beef isn't cheap here but is it true that good Swiss beef is unobtainable? Our local butchers sell good beef, most of it locally produced. Our local coop superstore even labels it by the farm it was produced on so they take some pride in it. I've never been to North Dakota and I would call myself a beef connaisseur but I've eaten US produced beef in Europe and Asia and I honestly can't say it was that memorable. Is the beef here really that bad compared to US produced beef.
I'm gob smacked by that too, if you don't fancy visiting the butcher Carrefour and Co-Op do excellent meat. If you really, really don't like what you find here I don't for a second believe that US beef is better than that found in Bavarian Germany, which is not so far for those of us in the North.
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Old 19.02.2008, 12:14
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I'm gob smacked by that too, if you don't fancy visiting the butcher Carrefour and Co-Op do excellent meat. If you really, really don't like what you find here I don't for a second believe that US beef is better than that found in Bavarian Germany, which is not so far for those of us in the North.
Its safe to say some co-ops do excellent beef but the quality is not consistent across Switzerland.

For example I normally buy beef from Kaiseraugst (and smuggle it back to France ) but on one occasion whilst returning from Bern I stopped at a large Co-op superstore and bought a couple of Kgs of beef which would have been good for shore repairs.

but to quote the 'good book' seek and ye shall find

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Old 19.02.2008, 12:18
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Re: Food in Switzerland

doesn't anyone else go to a traditional butchers (Metzgerei) ?

I have found the quality of meat to be superb in the two that I frequent in Bern, also, if you explain the exact cut you are looking for, they will usually do this for you. Try that in Coop & you just get a blank stare from behind the counter.
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I don't care about your fussy food choices.

I NEED to eat food that isn't US or Mexican.

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My family is on a three year plan to move to Zurich.

I do not eat pork or anything with pork in it.

I don't care for cream sauces.

I don't care for pickled items.

I NEED a US Grade-A cut of med-rare beef tenderloin fillet at least once every two weeks.

I NEED Mexican food.

I NEED Samuel Adams beer-six-pack every two days.

Am I completely screwed?
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Re: Food in Switzerland

I have found fanatstic Swiss beaf, in Mollards in Geneva.

There is a misconception amongst the meat eating world (South Africa, America etc) where they think Price := quality. Just because it's cheaper, doesn't make it better.

Any mass produced beef is going to be horrible, it's water-logged and vacuum packed etc. I don't think supermarket beef is very nice at all, anywhere.

I do think there are certain cuts from Coop that are OK, like the shin of veal. But matured beef, no. I dream of Mollards.

You need to go to the butcher, who understands well-hung beef.
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I don't care about your fussy food choices.

I NEED to eat food that isn't US or Mexican.

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Reminds me when I was working in kitchens, an American once came with a request. She didn't 'care much for rice' - could she have her Risotto without the rice.

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Old 19.02.2008, 12:27
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Re: American diet in CH

In my opinion, what I have found in the markets and restaurants in CH does not compare to US Prime grade which you can get in some markets and most good restaurants. Even Choice Grade seems to be better for grilling (again, just my opinion). I definitely prefer the way it is cut in the US.

That being said, I think the beef in Northern Italy, Spain, and Bavaria is quite excellent and the cuts are good. One of my favorite meals in the world is the Bisteca Fiorentina!

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I've never been to North Dakota and I would call myself a beef connaisseur but I've eaten US produced beef in Europe and Asia and I honestly can't say it was that memorable. Is the beef here really that bad compared to US produced beef.
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Old 19.02.2008, 12:28
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Re: Food in Switzerland

being of Dakota heritage, I say some of the beef there is the best in the world...then again, I often get the beef directly from farmer friends so it may be better than you get in the store. Yet, I haven't suffered from lack of beef in Switzerland, I find the beef fairly good, just rather expensive. But I don't grill it, usually cook medium rare with olive oil and garlic. No sauce. it is tasty.

As far as beer, well, you can probably find Sam Adams but I am sure you can do better or as good with other European beers.

Mexican - yeah well you are screwed there. Not much Mexican culture here.

Weather - North Dakota is a way way colder than Switzerland. The Swiss winter is comparable to late spring in North Dakota.
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In my opinion, what I have found in the markets and restaurants in CH does not compare to US Prime grade which you can get in some markets and most good restaurants. Even Choice Grade seems to be better for grilling (again, just my opinion). I definitely prefer the way it is cut in the US.

That being said, I think the beef in Northern Italy, Spain, and Bavaria is quite excellent and the cuts are good. One of my favorite meals in the world is the Bisteca Fiorentina!

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agree that I love Bisteca Fiorentina. And beef in Spain is great. I haven't had in Bavaria, usually end up in eating Pig Hock.
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Old 19.02.2008, 12:35
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Thanks for another slap at Americans...I would expect better from a mod. With so many "Forum Veterans" enjoying their "Daily go" at the US, I think I will ask Mark to consider renaming this the "English as long as you are not American" forum.

So tiresome...

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Reminds me when I was working in kitchens, an American once came with a request. She didn't 'care much for rice' - could she have her Risotto without the rice.

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doesn't anyone else go to a traditional butchers (Metzgerei) ?
Yep, a decent local butcher is very good to have.

What's also good to visit is a butcher that does their own slaughtering and preparation - this is not very likely in the cities, of course, but worth looking out for. There's a small one not far from where Mrs Dodger's family lives. Good cuts, in-house made and smoked salamis. Oohyeah.
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Thanks for another slap at Americans...I would expect better from a mod. With so many "Forum Veterans" enjoying their "Daily go" at the US, I think I will ask Mark to consider renaming this the "English as long as you are not American" forum.

So tiresome...

fduvall

We need to remember the English and Irish are experts on good quality food. The world could not live without their influence on the world's food culture.

btw, if it is not clear, this a joke.
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Thanks for another slap at Americans...I would expect better from a mod. With so many "Forum Veterans" enjoying their "Daily go" at the US, I think I will ask Mark to consider renaming this the "English as long as you are not American" forum.

So tiresome...

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It's not a slap at Americans, it's a reply to another American, which remined me of a particular incident involving an American. Which reminds me of a Jewish guy who asked if we did kosher and then proceeded to order the shellfish, which reminds me of the Englishman who said the Stilton was off...

I mean no offence and I'm sorry if it comes across that way.
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