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Old 19.02.2008, 12:57
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Re: American diet in CH

Just a bit tired of the direction EF has taken the last year or so. Forum Veterans can add a lot, but when a "gang mentality" starts to take over it can make the experience a lot less satisfying for the less frequent users.

WRT your comment, I do understand your intent. It is my first complaint after a long simmering series of observations of forum tone. I know you to be a pretty "unbiased" guy...and I speak Swedish too, so no hard feelings.

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It's not a slap at Americans, it's a reply to another American, which remined me of a particular incident involving an American. Which reminds me of a Jewish guy who asked if we did kosher and then proceeded to order the shellfish, which reminds me of the Englishman who said the Stilton was off...

I mean no offence and I'm sorry if it comes across that way.
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Just a bit tired of the direction EF has taken the last year or so. Forum Veterans can add a lot, but when a "gang mentality" starts to take over it can make the experience a lot less satisfying for the less frequent users.

WRT your comment, I do understand your intent. It is my first complaint after a long simmering series of observations of forum tone. I know you to be a pretty "unbiased" guy...and I speak Swedish too, so no hard feelings.

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Re: Food in Switzerland

I enjoy the food in Switzerland... well I enjoy cheese and chocolate and cook at home a lot. However, I find the quality of the products to be top notch! I've had to shop in specialty Latin or Asian stores for a more diverse selection of seasoning, but the fact that those are available and within my reach is wonderful! My one complain however, WHERE CAN I FIND NORMAL PRICED AND TASTY SUSHI!! I am dying to eat sushi and am on the verge of learning to prepare my own! I'm from Boston, USA where one can find pretty decent sushi and not outrageously priced (i.e. 6 pieces for 5USD instead of 20CHF!)

Please help!
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Old 19.02.2008, 13:13
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I enjoy the food in Switzerland... well I enjoy cheese and chocolate and cook at home a lot. However, I find the quality of the products to be top notch! I've had to shop in specialty Latin or Asian stores for a more diverse selection of seasoning, but the fact that those are available and within my reach is wonderful! My one complain however, WHERE CAN I FIND NORMAL PRICED AND TASTY SUSHI!! I am dying to eat sushi and am on the verge of learning to prepare my own! I'm from Boston, USA where one can find pretty decent sushi and not outrageously priced (i.e. 6 pieces for 5USD instead of 20CHF!)

Please help!
Seafood in Switzerland is pretty rare & when available is pretty expensive, as its not in the cultuire & obviously has to be imported.

In Bern you have Kabuki who do a very decent Sushi, I can recommend their Bento Box.
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Old 19.02.2008, 13:18
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I NEED Mexican food.
El Maiz has a pretty good selection of Mexican products including fresh tortillas. They also have great Mexican chorizo in the freezer section.
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Re: American diet in CH

Roll with it. If you read the previous post to which I responded ("I don't care for...", "I NEED...") , it is hardly surprising.

As regards changing the name, I think the current name of "englishforum" will suffice.

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Thanks for another slap at Americans...I would expect better from a mod. With so many "Forum Veterans" enjoying their "Daily go" at the US, I think I will ask Mark to consider renaming this the "English as long as you are not American" forum.

So tiresome...

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Roll with it. If you read the previous post to which I responded ("I don't care for...", "I NEED...") , it is hardly surprising.

As regards changing the name, I think the current name of "englishforum" will suffice.

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The "I NEED" comment shocked a bit here too, it comes across as "American food is superior to your pathetic European offerings". This is pretty ridiculous considering we are neighbored by France, Italy and Germany which, arguably, produce the best food, beer and wine in the Western world.
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Re: American diet in CH

Well, thank you for the enlightening response...I did not realize Mark was employing spokespeople now. And NO, I do not think I will "roll with it." At minimum, it is rude. So a new poster puts something a bit indelicately (I did read the post). Why is it that you and a few others seem to think it is your obligation to "have a go" at everyone who does not conform to your unwritten code of conduct?

Maybe Forum Legends and Veterans need to "give it a rest" for a while...

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Roll with it. If you read the previous post to which I responded ("I don't care for...", "I NEED...") , it is hardly surprising.

As regards changing the name, I think the current name of "englishforum" will suffice.

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Old 19.02.2008, 13:38
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Re: American diet in CH

Haha...to keep EvilShell off your case, this means, more or less "No problemo."

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Old 19.02.2008, 13:42
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Re: American diet in CH

By the way, in the same way that Brits use language, sarcasm and dark humor to communicate, sometimes Americans make bold/provocative statements or exaggeration (I NEED) when talking informally. As Forum Legends say, roll with it...

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The "I NEED" comment shocked a bit here too, it comes across as "American food is superior to your pathetic European offerings". This is pretty ridiculous considering we are neighbored by France, Italy and Germany which, arguably, produce the best food, beer and wine in the Western world.
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By the way, in the same way that Brits use language, sarcasm and dark humor to communicate, sometimes Americans make bold/provocative statements or exaggeration (I NEED) when talking informally. As Forum Legends say, roll with it...

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I didn't take offense at it (thinking it was having a slap at Europeans), I just thought it was wildly ill informed.

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When I first came to Switzerland I thought the food was pretty bland and the choice was limited.

After a while I discovered that the food is just different to what I'm used to and that it was my knowledge of what to eat and where to eat it that was limited.

If I spent all my time trying to cook in the same way as I did in England I would invariably be disappointed.

As far as eating out goes I feel spoilt for choice in Zürich, with almost every base covered. This is pretty much the same in any major city.

The argument that a nations food is crap is a bit redundant to be honest, maybe culturally it's very different to what you are familiar with but you can find examples of high quality national cuisine absolutely everywhere if you are looking for it (including believe it or not UK and Ireland).

If you set out to find fault in things you will succeed, it's too easy to give up at the first hurdle. Think about the country you are from, how long you had to orientate yourself there and how easy it would be for an outsider to find truly dreadful food if they didn't know where to look.
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On the contrary - if you want to invoke Mark's (for those that don't know he is the guy that set up the forum) name as though it lends some creedence to your post then please do so.

This has historically been a liberal forum judging by the posts, and I have seen very few posts that I would consider offensive. Plenty of lazy, cheeky, presumptive, arrogant, misinformed, mistaken or erroneous ones. But hey ,that's interaction with the real world for you.

Maybe someone working in journalism would recognise and welcome such diversity of views.

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Well, thank you for the enlightening response...I did not realize Mark was employing spokespeople now. And NO, I do not think I will "roll with it." At minimum, it is rude. So a new poster puts something a bit indelicately (I did read the post). Why is it that you and a few others seem to think it is your obligation to "have a go" at everyone who does not conform to your unwritten code of conduct?

Maybe Forum Legends and Veterans need to "give it a rest" for a while...

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Old 19.02.2008, 14:22
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Re: American diet in CH

WRT your comments...I understand and mostly agree. My comments were certainly not aimed at you alone and my main point was about the tone of responses. Enough said.

Back on topic, after two years, we do cook some Swiss dishes (Züricher Geschnezeltes - yum!) that we have had in restaurants or friend's houses. And Rosti will definitely come home with us as a staple.

We have also started cooking more of the ethnic foods that we crave, so this has been a nice opportunity to expand our cooking horizons.

And to brand a national cuisine "crap" is harsh...after all there is at least ONE country that loves it.

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I didn't take offense at it (thinking it was having a slap at Europeans), I just thought it was wildly ill informed.

Back on topic:
When I first came to Switzerland I thought the food was pretty bland and the choice was limited.

After a while I discovered that the food is just different to what I'm used to and that it was my knowledge of what to eat and where to eat it that was limited.

If I spent all my time trying to cook in the same way as I did in England I would invariably be disappointed.

As far as eating out goes I feel spoilt for choice in Zürich, with almost every base covered. This is pretty much the same in any major city.

The argument that a nations food is crap is a bit redundant to be honest, maybe culturally it's very different to what you are familiar with but you can find examples of high quality national cuisine absolutely everywhere if you are looking for it (including believe it or not UK and Ireland).

If you set out to find fault in things you will succeed, it's too easy to give up at the first hurdle. Think about the country you are from, how long you had to orientate yourself there and how easy it would be for an outsider to find truly dreadful food if they didn't know where to look.
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Re: American diet in CH

I think diversity of views is exactly what I am looking for. And I am pointing out that, in my opinion, a minority of posters are trying to intimidate others with their constant harassment. What you are labeling "liberal views" looks to me like "tyranny from a few."

And invoking Mark's name is hardly meant to lend credence to my post. However, it might point out that you are not a spokesman for the forum. While you are just as entitled as I to express your views, they do not represent the EF in any official capacity.

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On the contrary - if you want to invoke Mark's (for those that don't know he is the guy that set up the forum) name as though it lends some creedence to your post then please do so.

This has historically been a liberal forum judging by the posts, and I have seen very few posts that I would consider offensive. Plenty of lazy, cheeky, presumptive, arrogant, misinformed, mistaken or erroneous ones. But hey ,that's interaction with the real world for you.

Maybe someone working in journalism would recognise and welcome such diversity of views.

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To your first, I disagree entirely. The clash-system of politics refers.
As to the rest, call me to discuss when I have got less time.

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I think diversity of views is exactly what I am looking for. And I am pointing out that, in my opinion, a minority of posters are trying to intimidate others with their constant harassment. What you are labeling "liberal views" looks to me like "tyranny from a few."

And invoking Mark's name is hardly meant to lend credence to my post. However, it might point out that you are not a spokesman for the forum. While you are just as entitled as I to express your views, they do not represent the EF in any official capacity.

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Old 19.02.2008, 14:48
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Re: American diet in CH

I guess my "English" is not so good, as I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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To your first, I disagree entirely. The clash-system of politics refers.
As to the rest, call me to discuss when I have got less time.

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The argument that a nations food is crap is a bit redundant to be honest, maybe culturally it's very different to what you are familiar with but you can find examples of high quality national cuisine absolutely everywhere if you are looking for it (including believe it or not UK and Ireland).

If you set out to find fault in things you will succeed, it's too easy to give up at the first hurdle. Think about the country you are from, how long you had to orientate yourself there and how easy it would be for an outsider to find truly dreadful food if they didn't know where to look.
Exactly!

Add to that that the swiss cuisine has it's roots in very simple dishes e.g. ingredients,because the majority of the population over the centuries was rather poor than rich,and thus had to make do with what the land,orchard and stable offered,which at times was not much at all.

I would even go as far as to say, there are quite a lot of countries that started off the same culinary way,with simple food that got gradually broadened depending on what explorers and immigrants brought with them.

For more than a decade now, i am writing about swiss food and its origins,amongst other swiss related things,if you want to tap into my great knowledge,i'd gladly share it with ya'll

A few comments in the thread made me think of our saying: 'Was dr Buur nid kennt, das frisst er nid!'

Instead of remaining ignorant and concentrating on what one knows from home, be courageous and try out Swiss stuff, you might be pleasantly surprised.
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I have found fanatstic Swiss beaf, in Mollards in Geneva.

There is a misconception amongst the meat eating world (South Africa, America etc) where they think Price := quality. Just because it's cheaper, doesn't make it better.

Any mass produced beef is going to be horrible, it's water-logged and vacuum packed etc. I don't think supermarket beef is very nice at all, anywhere.

I do think there are certain cuts from Coop that are OK, like the shin of veal. But matured beef, no. I dream of Mollards.

You need to go to the butcher, who understands well-hung beef.
That's probably the best butcher in all of Switzerland! It's fantastic!
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Couldn't agree more, why bother coming to Switzerland?
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Yes - stay at home.
These two quotes are not constructive and not really welcome. Do think before you post - are you adding value?

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My family is on a three year plan to move to Zurich.

I do not eat pork or anything with pork in it.

I don't care for cream sauces.

I don't care for pickled items.

I NEED a US Grade-A cut of med-rare beef tenderloin fillet at least once every two weeks.

I NEED Mexican food.

I NEED Samuel Adams beer-six-pack every two days.

Am I completely screwed?
I would say that, if you do not have flexibility, you might consider yourself screwed.

You can avoid pork, sauces and pickles quite easily. You just need to know what they are called in three languages in case you eat out!!

You will find good beef here; you will find US and Argentinian beef here; you will find good beef expensive here. But it's here - home cooking seems to give you the options you will need (in general).

Sam Adams? Yep....will cost but available. But don't not try local beers. Trust me, you'll find some very good ones (European as well as Swiss).

I would not let food stop me moving anywhere....there's always care packages.

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Thanks for another slap at Americans...I would expect better from a mod. With so many "Forum Veterans" enjoying their "Daily go" at the US, I think I will ask Mark to consider renaming this the "English as long as you are not American" forum.

So tiresome...

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My take on this is it's a story and it is VERY ironic (risotto without rice). I suppose had gooner mentioned any nationality, that it could be taken as a dig?


To remind you all - this is not a thread to discuss anything but Food in Switzerland. If you want to discuss anything else - search first and then make a new thread in the appropriate forum. And of course we won't be stooping to make personal comments and digs
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