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I like Swiss Fondue it not too complicated and has a nice taste, its easy to put together too. like cheese on toast
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I have to say that much of the original post I agree with, except:
- Beef : C'mon, this is pretty tasteless. Whenever i go to UK, US or Aus I order a delicious steak. The steaks here just don't rate it for taste!
- White wine : Again...are you on drugs? I live in the so-called swiss riviera where the supposedly best white wine is and most of the white wine tastes like cats ****! Even the ones that are "drinkable" are not preferable to any other reasonable wine-making country (I'm excluding places like malaysia and china from this wine-making list for the record). Its not just hard to find a good white wine...its near impossible and bloody expensive! Go the french, italian, portuguese, American, Australian, NZ or delicious Sth American.

I normally wouldn't dis the swiss for these but since you put it out there....
You seem a slightly silly person to me:
http://www.decanter.com/worldwineawa...wwa_search.php
Do a search for Gold medals in white wine, the US of course has none, while NZ has 1 like Switzerland and South Africa, renowned for its excellent white wine has 3. Switzerland has a reputation for excellent white wine, but of course you propably buy the cooking wine in Coop so you wouldn't notice..
And as others have pointed out.. don't go to Aldi to buy your beef... go to a proper butcher. There is plenty of Swiss prime beef around.. but again not be had for a few CHF..
Ignorance is a bliss, isn't it ?

edit: Oh, and the fact that Switzerland has the highest number of Michelin stars per capita is somewhat inconvenient too ....
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Thank goodness for another Swiss fanboy on the forum.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Not at all.. just trying to get some facts straight. I am the first to admit that the average swiss restaurant is mediocre and I hardly ever go to a restaurant I don't know or which hasn't been recommended to me.. But people claiming there isn't a: good food b: good wine c: good beef in Switzerland obviously just can't afford it.
It's also just silly to suggest Switzerland doesn't have good restaurants when in fact it has the highest density of them in the world. (and I guess Michelin can be considered a good reference)
There are far better cuisines in the world, no doubt about that, but it's just ridiculous when Americans or Brits complain about the Swiss cuisine.
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Not at all.. just trying to get some facts straight. I am the first to admit that the average swiss restaurant is mediocre and I hardly ever go to a restaurant I don't know or which hasn't been recommended to me.. But people claiming there isn't a: good food b: good wine c: good beef in Switzerland obviously just can't afford it.
It's also just silly to suggest Switzerland doesn't have good restaurants when in fact it has the highest density of them in the world. (and I guess Michelin can be considered a good reference)
There are far better cuisines in the world, no doubt about that, but it's just ridiculous when Americans or Brits complain about the Swiss cuisine.
I think people tend to compare like for like. You can get inexpensive but good restaurant food in the UK or UK, but you struggle to find that here. Even "inexpensive" restaurants here will cost quite a bit for two, double the cost of UK/US similar restaurants.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

True. But inexpensive and good food in the UK is asian food imho. But people tend to compare the "good restaurant I know which is fairly cheap in my home town" with the "random tourist restaurant in Switzerland", which is hardly fair. Just trying to balance it a bit, I am not a huge fan Swiss cuisine, some dishes I really like but couldn't eat all the time. And of course in general higher salaries have to be considered too. Jobs in service are miserably paid in Switzerland and many waiters underqualified, unmotivated foreigners, many from SE Europe or elsewhere. Thus the service desert that makes the average restaurant visit so unworthwhile. Combine that with a protectionist agricultural politics and voila - the average restaurant is bad and expensive.
But there are tons of good restaurants on the upper scale with great service, cuisine etc.. and they are not necessarily the big established names in the cities.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Hello All

Im an Englishman living in Derby England UK. I used to live in Meilen nr Zurich for about 7 months and loved it.

While here in England I have made a very good friend who is a millionaire businessman.He supplies chicken meat to all over the UK and parts of Europe and it is a very successful operation.He has offered me a job in sales which I am going to take here in the UK but I would love to be doing this in Switzerland.Do they eat chicken in Switzerland? I would reallly love to convince him that there is a market there.Any help info or advice would be very much appreciated.

Ray
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You seem a slightly silly person to me:
http://www.decanter.com/worldwineawa...wwa_search.php
Do a search for Gold medals in white wine, the US of course has none, while NZ has 1 like Switzerland and South Africa, renowned for its excellent white wine has 3. Switzerland has a reputation for excellent white wine, but of course you propably buy the cooking wine in Coop so you wouldn't notice..
And as others have pointed out.. don't go to Aldi to buy your beef... go to a proper butcher. There is plenty of Swiss prime beef around.. but again not be had for a few CHF..
Ignorance is a bliss, isn't it ?

edit: Oh, and the fact that Switzerland has the highest number of Michelin stars per capita is somewhat inconvenient too ....
For the record, I have eaten at 2 of the swiss 3 star michelin restaurants and they were very good! I didn't criticise the restaurants mister high and mighty...just the beef and white wine! I didn't say the beef was awful, just not as tasty as other countries! Could be the types of cuts, not the cows!
It appears some people on this forum love to criticise others' opinions, Its one thing to agree or disagree with a fellow forummers comment but I can never understand why people have to make personal attacks (aka - you seem a bit silly to me). I have been a passive member of this forum for 2 years and watched it get very personal for no reason on some people. But maybe some people have nothing better in their life than to feel power over someone else with a put-down even if it is with a secret identity!!!! the post was about food and asking for others comments - not asking for the definitive decision on the state of swiss food!
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Re: Food in Switzerland

You are getting pretty easily offended for someone using sentences like these:
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- White wine : Again...are you on drugs?
Few real wine connaiseurs would doubt that Switzerland has excellent white wines, and as I have pointed out, Switzerland, unlike the US which you commended for white wine, has actually won some gold medals, so the term "silly" seemed appropriate to me, and was certainly not a personal attack to you who I know nothing about. All the countries you named have very good white wines and they are all locally very affordable too, so it must have something to do with your selection or taste, not the country of origin in question.
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Hello All

Im an Englishman living in Derby England UK. I used to live in Meilen nr Zurich for about 7 months and loved it.

While here in England I have made a very good friend who is a millionaire businessman.He supplies chicken meat to all over the UK and parts of Europe and it is a very successful operation.He has offered me a job in sales which I am going to take here in the UK but I would love to be doing this in Switzerland.Do they eat chicken in Switzerland? I would reallly love to convince him that there is a market there.Any help info or advice would be very much appreciated.

Ray
Hi Ray,

Chicken is very popular in Switzerland, but our food market is extremely protected and regulated. Don't ask me for details but getting some solid information about customs and regulations from somehow in the know might be what you want to do. I suspect it isn't an easy market.
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True. But inexpensive and good food in the UK is asian food imho. But people tend to compare the "good restaurant I know which is fairly cheap in my home town" with the "random tourist restaurant in Switzerland", which is hardly fair. Just trying to balance it a bit, I am not a huge fan Swiss cuisine, some dishes I really like but couldn't eat all the time. And of course in general higher salaries have to be considered too. Jobs in service are miserably paid in Switzerland and many waiters underqualified, unmotivated foreigners, many from SE Europe or elsewhere. Thus the service desert that makes the average restaurant visit so unworthwhile. Combine that with a protectionist agricultural politics and voila - the average restaurant is bad and expensive.
But there are tons of good restaurants on the upper scale with great service, cuisine etc.. and they are not necessarily the big established names in the cities.
On this forum, chances are they're not going to compare to a tourist restaurant. We're "locals".

And I hate to say it, but at a touristy kind of place here in Basel I had one of the better Swiss cuisine restaurant meals I've found in Switzerland. (a place on Barfuesserplatz, if anyone's interested)
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Ok, granted! But you sure have to admit that every city has decent food in Switzerland if you know where to go ? Absolutely not arguing with you that the average restaurant is very... average, but could anyone reasonably argue that an average (native food) restaurants in either the UK or the US aren't worse than Switzerland ? I am judging from a tourists perspective in the case of the US, but have lived in London for a year and the food was horrible. Overcooked, salty, greasy. Perfect hangover food I admit, but I wouldn't step in a random English restaurant sober. Again not saying that decent and cheap ones don't exist, I just haven't been in one. And I suspect it's the same with many expats here. Tried, failed and given up.

And it's the same with people criticizing Swiss beer. Feldschlösschen & co. are industrially produced watery light-weight lagers, nothing to be proud of at all... but they have to be compared to Miller, Bud beer, Stella Artois and not your local favourite beer... because especially the american lagers are horribly watery, worse than Feldschlösschen, and it's no wonder belgium beer is so popular in the UK, because they don't produce any decent lagers themselves.
If you compare local beers however I wouldn't dare judge American or British beers, as I'm not knowledgeable enough to be honest, but I find Swiss micro breweries very delicious. I also like Eichhofs beers, they're not great but good everyday beer. Depends on the individual taste, but when it comes to Lagers/Pilsners which are my favourite, Belgium, Germany and the Czech republic have the best large brands in my opinion. But dismissing Swiss beer and ordering a Heineken is silly.
Again just my opinion.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Simon, you are cool and I agree with you.
Enough of the Switzerland beaters!!! Go home if it's so much better!!
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Hi Ray,

Chicken is very popular in Switzerland, but our food market is extremely protected and regulated. Don't ask me for details but getting some solid information about customs and regulations from somehow in the know might be what you want to do. I suspect it isn't an easy market.
A lot of the Chicken sold here is actually imported. Hungary is a big supplier and Brasil is also quite big.
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Old 04.06.2009, 21:45
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If you compare local beers however I wouldn't dare judge American or British beers, as I'm not knowledgeable enough to be honest, but I find Swiss micro breweries very delicious.
I'd wager to say that micro-breweries in the UK and the USA are highly innovative and cater for a broad range of tastes and have generally excellent products. The concept of micro-brewing is newer in Switzerland as far as I can see (in fact many of them only started in the last 5 to 10 years) and the market has yet to reach the maturity it has in the UK for example. However, the micro breweries are learning fast and some of the bigger ones have already cut significant inroads into the market share of the arrogant multis. I have shares in several Swiss micro-breweries and this is a fun way to do something about the lack of good beers rather than just sitting back and whining about it. In contrast to big companies, the AGMs are not just for some big fat CEO to present his balance sheets while everbody else votes yes when told to do so in the style of the North Korean parliament, but there is a real and open dialogue with shareholders and they talk about beer as well as money. In fact they talk about beer more than they talk about money and everybody's opnion counts.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

The concept of micro-breweries may be new, but locally produced and sold beer is as old as beer, they just gradually lost market shares to the bigger brands. Eichhof seemed to be the biggest Swiss brewer with a market share of 8% according to this source, but is now part of Heineken.
http://www.altestramdepot.ch/htm/bie...m?thiskatid=19
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What disturbs me in Switzerland is the service in restaurants. At best it is indifferent but can be downright unbearable.
I have been horrified many times coming with my American wife to hear what the waitress or waiter were saying behind our backs not knowing that I understand them very well. I think in general the service in restaurants in continental Europe is disappointing (In the UK it is quite the opposite as I have been very pleasantly surprised).
I wish their salary was based on tips.
In the US you are always welcome with a smile and even in inexpensive places you do get a good service.
I disagree with some previous posters however. I think Swiss white wines are excellent but it is an acquired taste as they are very dry. For me going to one of the small restaurants on the Swiss riviera overlooking the lake and the French alps (having perch filets and local white wine) is really a great experience. I particularly like the "cafe du raisin" in St.Saphorin.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Completely agree with you there ch-expat, the service in Switzerland is horrible, "Servicewüste" is the correct term. They are underpaid, undermotivated and tips are just expected, not deserved. If service is bad I don't give any tip at all, which usually delivers the message. But service really is horrible, there are a few gastronomers who try to turn that around but as a rule you can expect bad service unfortunately.
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Simon, you are cool and I agree with you.
Enough of the Switzerland beaters!!! Go home if it's so much better!!
Way to go raincookie now have a nice cervelate salatwith lots of onions
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