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Way to go raincookie now have a nice cervelate salatwith lots of onions
Ever heard of something called "an aquired taste" ? Cervelat salat with onions and cheese is excellent.
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Old 08.06.2009, 11:11
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I think in general the service in restaurants in continental Europe is disappointing (In the UK it is quite the opposite as I have been very pleasantly surprised).
I wish their salary was based on tips.
I think we've discussed the tipping thing on other threads. I don't think tipping is really the key to this issue. Many US waiters will simply drool over you and do everything possible so you notice what a fine job they're doing. That is the negative side of the tipping culture. It's fine when you're spending vacations and see it all as part of the fun and experience, but I don't know if I could handle that all the time.

Some of the best waiters I've come across were in Spain, Italy and South America. Very discreet, there when you need them but practically invisible otherwise.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Question, what is expected as a tip here? Many places have a built in service charge. Are we expected to pay a tip above and beyond?
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Question, what is expected as a tip here? Many places have a built in service charge. Are we expected to pay a tip above and beyond?
I think most Swiss I know round it up to the nearest 5 or 10 francs so if it's a bill for CHF 23.50 you give them 25 and say keep the change.
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Old 08.06.2009, 17:30
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^Correct. But more than 1-2 CHF is just for very good service. You don't need to tip, however. Unlike in France or elsewhere you won't hear a comment. (or just behind your back)
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food in CH sucks and so does the service. This applies to restaurants, supermarket food quality and overall selection. Now when you factor in the costs then it is a complete disaster
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food in CH sucks and so does the service. This applies to restaurants, supermarket food quality and overall selection. Now when you factor in the costs then it is a complete disaster
so what do you eat?
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Old 08.06.2009, 18:18
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well not much choice but to buy and cook...as much as possible I try to shop in Germany...but glad I have a wife who cooks great...i've been cured from eating out in CH...something quite normal in US.....
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Re: Food in Switzerland

^Better still, what's your nationality ? Or what country do you compare it with ?
edit: Haha, from the US, you got to be kidding me.
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Old 08.06.2009, 18:21
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born in Poland but spent 18 years in US...Chicago...selection of restaurants from all over the Globe is amazing...and that is in all price brackets....
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Re: Food in Switzerland

The restaurant selection in Chicago is very wide, but the average Jewel-Osco or Dominick's in the suburbs of Chicago has the ingredients for midwest American cuisine. You can find giant packs of boneless pork ribs or chicken breasts in any store, but you have to go to a specialty store to find ingredients for good SE Asian food or Indian food (for example). In two years living there I didn't see one leg of lamb for sale anywhere.

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Old 08.06.2009, 18:31
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Ok. But as much as Zürich would like to compare itself to other major cities.. it just can't. And I haven't been in Chicago but will readily believe you that the restaurants there are much better. I suspect, however, correct me if I'm wrong, that if I were to walk into any random American restaurant in Chicago the food would be cheap but horrible. I would even go so far, just extrapolating from my US trips, that the food would be worse than pretty much anywhere else except the UK or Northern Europe. (Scandinavia has a horrible kitchen as well imho)
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Old 08.06.2009, 19:46
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I think at the upper end you can find great food both in the US and in Switzerland.
I went to Gary Danko last night in San Francisco and it was amazing. Girardet in Switzerland comes to mind too.
It is when you look for ethnic food that there is a big gap. Ethnic restaurants are expensive (and sometimes pretentious) in Switzerland while you find plenty of great places in the US.
I still think Switzerland has better fresh produce.
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Re: Food in Switzerland

Roesti!
If you are in Lucerne, or if you're not in Lucerne, go to Lucerne, go to the Pigeon (die Tauben?), a pub on the train station side of the river. I went there and wanted roesti, my boyfreind talked me into alpine macaroni. The guys on the next table got roesti. Mine came in a bucket. Theirs came in a pan, covered in bacon and eggs! I've never forgiven him. It smelled wonderful.
Fried potato, bacon, and egg. And lots of it. I love Switzerland.
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Old 08.06.2009, 20:56
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The restaurant selection in Chicago is very wide, but the average Jewel-Osco or Dominick's in the suburbs of Chicago has the ingredients for midwest American cuisine. You can find giant packs of boneless pork ribs or chicken breasts in any store, but you have to go to a specialty store to find ingredients for good SE Asian food or Indian food (for example). In two years living there I didn't see one leg of lamb for sale anywhere.

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I'm not really talking about midwestern cuisine but about the wide range of selction of restaurants and stores ranging from your German deli to a Indian curry. What makes Chicago great is the various ethnic neighbourhoods. You can get your delicate non-filling rench or a greasy burger or burrito. Slection and quality over here does not compare to anything you can fin in a decent sized city...
that all being said it CH is definitely better than Denmark where I've spend several weeks recently...awful...simply awful selection and quality
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Old 08.06.2009, 21:59
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The concept of micro-breweries may be new, but locally produced and sold beer is as old as beer, they just gradually lost market shares to the bigger brands. Eichhof seemed to be the biggest Swiss brewer with a market share of 8% according to this source, but is now part of Heineken.
http://www.altestramdepot.ch/htm/bie...m?thiskatid=19
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Yes, I've been in Switzerland long enough to remember many good breweries that are sadly no more and beer labels and tastes that have either vanished completely or are only available in select places (although they used to be quite common). I also remember the situation that led to this: the long chain of consolidations and takeovers that basically saw about a dozen respectable brewing companies ultimately melt into two multinational concerns with little interest in or understanding of their heritage. It was the anger over this among consumers that led to an interest in micro breweries and the ensuing positive development of beer diversity. I see my shareholding in some of those as my personal contribution towards right the wrongs.
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I'm not really talking about midwestern cuisine but about the wide range of selction of restaurants and stores ranging from your German deli to a Indian curry. What makes Chicago great is the various ethnic neighbourhoods. You can get your delicate non-filling rench or a greasy burger or burrito. Slection and quality over here does not compare to anything you can fin in a decent sized city...
that all being said it CH is definitely better than Denmark where I've spend several weeks recently...awful...simply awful selection and quality
Poland is not so great either in my mind. What is your take on that?
I also think it is what you grow up with. I do like those Swiss cheese dishes but I totally understand that many people from south east Asia for example find them revolting.
A friend of mine from South America was invited for fondue. After a couple of bites he stopped. When encouraged by his host to continue, he said: "No thanks, I had enough of this appetizer, I'll wait for the main dish". ugh!
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Ok. But as much as Zürich would like to compare itself to other major cities.. it just can't. And I haven't been in Chicago but will readily believe you that the restaurants there are much better. I suspect, however, correct me if I'm wrong, that if I were to walk into any random American restaurant in Chicago the food would be cheap but horrible. I would even go so far, just extrapolating from my US trips, that the food would be worse than pretty much anywhere else except the UK or Northern Europe. (Scandinavia has a horrible kitchen as well imho)
I hate big citys, but chicago is great Poles have good food
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I'm not really talking about midwestern cuisine but about the wide range of selction of restaurants and stores ranging from your German deli to a Indian curry. What makes Chicago great is the various ethnic neighbourhoods. You can get your delicate non-filling rench or a greasy burger or burrito. Slection and quality over here does not compare to anything you can fin in a decent sized city...
that all being said it CH is definitely better than Denmark where I've spend several weeks recently...awful...simply awful selection and quality
Take Switzerland and its produce on its own terms and it will reward you. Zürich is not a city the size of say Chicago, or the city where I lived until recently, London, but there is plenty here of interest if you're willing to put some effort in and look for it. Swiss cheese making, both traditional and modern produces a wide variety of deliciousness . . . look in delicatessens, visit markets, if you can, visit at affineur. Swiss meats, particularly Alpine cured products have brought me great pleasure. There are also good Italian style products from Ticino. There is seasonality even in places like Coop and Globus which tend to have a wanton disregard for food miles (asparagus from Mexico?) . . . I have had very good Swiss asparagus and wild garlic. I'm also happy with bread here, particularly some of the regional rye breads. Oh and alpine milk and butter are fantastic too.

Don't hark back to your homeland and resort to lopsided comparisons . . . dive in and discover what Switzerland has to offer. I've been here ten months and I'm finding out more every day.

Oh, and for the record, Denmark as an increasingly vibrant food culture too, with Noma one of a number of restaurants in that country making waves. That restaurant couldn't exist without excellent Nordic Terroir, of which its home country is part.
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Poland is not so great either in my mind. What is your take on that?
I also think it is what you grow up with. I do like those Swiss cheese dishes but I totally understand that many people from south east Asia for example find them revolting.
A friend of mine from South America was invited for fondue. After a couple of bites he stopped. When encouraged by his host to continue, he said: "No thanks, I had enough of this appetizer, I'll wait for the main dish". ugh!

Not sure why you are not thriled about Polish cuisine. Where did you try it?
Some similarity to German but much more creative. Yes it is filling/rich but beats CH and German anytime..I'm not praising it just telling you CH cuisine would be towards the bottom on my list of foods I've tried.
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