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Swiss German in School

I am just very upset with the fact that I pay a school, I am going to the 3ed year of Management BWL with a lot of effort, financially and emotionally.
I am tired of asking the teatchers alllll the time to switch to High German.
I dont know how to deal with that anymore, I have one more year to go, well a bit more, the end of this year and next.

I will write the school about it, but I feel really sad and desappointed at the moment. My new class are a bunch of spoiled kids ( I am already 37) and they confront me and support the teatcher speaking dialekt, which is wrong, since is written in the guidelines of the course that the official languge is German.

Sorry for the emotional msg. Thanks for tipps and constructive messages, maybe it helps me going through a few more months.
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Re: Swiss German in School

Hi,


2 things from my experience :


- people prefer dialekt to hoch deutsch, because for them hoch deutsch is like a foreign language

- confront with someone speaking dialekt regarding the way to work/speak/etc. and you instantly lose, you become ostracized toward the group, and you then have to deploy a lot of energy to revert the situation


No solutions, maybe joke, maybe knocking the table while telling a little joke, till they get bored and realize the rythm gets slower if they don't stay to hochdeutsch.


Good luck
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Thanks, that helps a bit... I just dont want to have this feeling that I am beeing disrespected. But thank you.
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Re: Swiss German in School

You will only resolve this by moving to Germany...
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You will only resolve this by moving to Germany...
And then will have to deal with German dialects, I much prefer Swiss.

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And then will have to deal with German dialects, I much prefer Swiss.

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Good then that it's not about you.
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Thanks, that helps a bit... I just dont want to have this feeling that I am beeing disrespected. But thank you.
While you call local students "a bunch of spoiled kids"?

Do German 37yr old students who don't speak the local language have some kind of a special entitlement to respect?

Good luck and hang in there. At least you speak Hoch Deutch, can't be so foreign after 3 years here. Just give it a try.
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Re: Swiss German in School

I guess what makes me more sad is that I am acctually Swiss, family is swiss but I grew up as Auslanschweizer. I went to Swissschool where we learn standard German.
And I think yes, any one is entitled of respect regardless of where they come from.

My leve of German is C1, which is very good...otherwise I couldnt be there...anyway..thanks for message.


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While you call local students "a bunch of spoiled kids"?

Do German 37yr old students who don't speak the local language have some kind of a special entitlement to respect?

Good luck and hang in there. At least you speak Hoch Deutch, can't be so foreign after 3 years here. Just give it a try.
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Re: Swiss German in School

Being on the board of the Auslandschweizer Verein, I must protest Flubber's arrogance. I'm afraid you won't be winning

Auslandschweizer of the Year Award

this year. Perhaps with some fine tuning and change of attitude, you might have a chance again next year.

(Edit: Although deleting your scandalous post was a wise move, it wasn't fast enough.)
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Being on the board of the Auslandschweizer Verein, I must protest your arrogance. I'm afraid you won't be winning

Auslandschweizer of the Year Award

this year. Perhaps with some fine tuning and change of attitude, you might have a chance again next year.
Dear Board member, I was an Auslandschweizer for 32 years, so I guess you shouldnt call me arrogant, even because was an emotional message. Is it clear the education and Ausbildungen should be taught in Standard German. Is really desappointing to get a message like this from an institution that I highly respect and I am going to write them personally about your message.

Thank you
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(Edit: Although deleting your scandalous post was a wise move, it wasn't fast enough.)[/QUOTE]

I dont understand your attitude my dear. You have never wrote something emotional and overreacted? I have no problems and retreating and assuming my few mistakes. But you say I am arrogant, so not really worth the talk with you.
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Their unanimous opinion was to always, always ask the teacher, the speaker, the trainer, whoever is at whatever is that I'm attending to speak in High German. And, talking from personal experience when I attended a course where I was the only foreigner in a class of 10 adults,....
Oh course the alternative is that they just donít invite you to the meeting...

A one point I found myself being invited to meetings instead of my German team lead, who always seemed to have conflicts. When I questioned it I was told they did not want to have to speak high German and the conflicts were planned!

Donít confuse Swiss people being polite as an indication that they are happy with the situation.
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I just dont want to have this feeling that I am beeing disrespected. But thank you.
Yes, I can understand that. Neither do they. This is Switzerland and they're speaking their mother tongue. This is normal behaviour for them, no matter that the rules say otherwise.

I think the following might help. Source: experience.

Whenever you speak to your lecturers and co-students, before, during and after the classes, or in the breaks, do not speak English. Use High German. That way, at least they know you're trying.

Get yourself some lessons in comprehension of Swiss German. You can do this online, or in your own time by concentrating when listening to the radio. If you are open to it, rather than block it, you might find you gradually "get your ears around it". You might amuse them in the coffee-break by telling them of a new word you've learnt to pronounce.

Stand up in front of the class at the next lesson (or the equivalent online) and say something along these lines:
I'm sorry, folks, I need to ask you about Dialekt and High German, again. I realise that, for you, Dialekt comes naturally, and this is your country, after all, so it makes perfect sense that you speak your mother tongue to one another.
For me, though, it makes it really hard to understand, both the lecturers and the students. I don't want to nag you, yet I do want to participate in the group.
I'd like you to know that I'm really working on trying to understand Dialekt. Even so, please, I need to understand in class, so I'm asking you please to try to remember to speak High German. Thank you.
I know it's easy to forget and slip back into Dialekt, especially since I'm the only one, so I think I'll just raise my hand and wave it a bit, each time, to ask you please to switch back into High German. Thank you.
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I'm sorry, folks, I need to ask you about Dialekt and High German, again. I realise that, for you, Dialekt comes naturally, and this is your country, after all, so it makes perfect sense that you speak your mother tongue to one another.
For me, though, it makes it really hard to understand, both the lecturers and the students. I don't want to nag you, yet I do want to participate in the group.
I'd like you to know that I'm really working on trying to understand Dialekt. Even so, please, I need to understand in class, so I'm asking you please to try to remember to speak High German. Thank you.
I know it's easy to forget and slip back into Dialekt, especially since I'm the only one, so I think I'll just raise my hand and wave it a bit, each time, to ask you please to switch back into High German. Thank you.

Ha ha ha ha ha yeah like that's going to work!


German is one of the national languages and dialekt isn't. I agree that it's frustrating.



Better to say Schriftdeutsch than Hochdeutsch. If you ask someone to talk hochdeutsch you can be immediately insulting them - "Your German's not good enough for me". Many Swiss aren't capable of speaking Proper German Hochdeutsch. Put all the blame on yourself. Explain that you're not German but have only ever learnt Hochdeutsch, that you're trying to pick up the local way of talking but in the meantime could they take your situation into account when they talk so that you can understand. What you want them to do is speak so you can understand - it doesn't have to be perfect high-German. Maybe talk to the lecturere directly, face to face, mask to mask? eye to eye. I think you can't dictate how the students speak.



Or as others might say - "piss off to Germany" and enjoy the language being like gentle kisses to your ears. For me it's such a relief to cross the border! To me German German is like a symphony orchestra compared to high-school music class Swiss German.
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Ha ha ha ha ha yeah like that's going to work!


German is one of the national languages and dialekt isn't. I agree that it's frustrating.



Better to say Schriftdeutsch than Hochdeutsch. If you ask someone to talk hochdeutsch you can be immediately insulting them - "Your German's not good enough for me". Many Swiss aren't capable of speaking Proper German Hochdeutsch. Put all the blame on yourself. Explain that you're not German but have only ever learnt Hochdeutsch, that you're trying to pick up the local way of talking but in the meantime could they take your situation into account when they talk so that you can understand. What you want them to do is speak so you can understand - it doesn't have to be perfect high-German. Maybe talk to the lecturere directly, face to face, mask to mask? eye to eye. I think you can't dictate how the students speak.



Or as others might say - "piss off to Germany" and enjoy the language being like gentle kisses to your ears. For me it's such a relief to cross the border! To me German German is like a symphony orchestra compared to high-school music class Swiss German.

Just to make clear, I always ask the teacher to speak Standard German when they exaplain theory and content. I dont mind if my colleagues make questions or they talk generally in Swissgerman. Its part of the game. To be honest, depending on the subject I dont even mind the Swissgerman, but Accounting is really hard for me to understand in Swissgerman.
If they feel offendend, I am very sorry, I always try to explain. I wish my native langauge was Swiss German too....
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Better to say Schriftdeutsch than Hochdeutsch.
This.

I have NEVER heard a Swiss refer to Hochdeutsch!

I once said to a Swiss-German girlfriend that I spoke Swiss-German. "No, you don't, you speak Schriftdeutsch with a Swiss accent!"

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Ha ha ha ha ha yeah like that's going to work!
Yes, that's exactly how it worked for me. And very well, too.

As I wrote in my other post, it works until someone inadvertently reverts to Swiss German, and then the others, completely naturally, follow suit, (without even realising it) back to their mother-tongue. Then I'd have to ask again. That's why I wrote: "Repeat".

It was my experience, when I still needed mother-tongue Swiss German speakers to make that special effort for me, that they were mostly very accommodating as long as I asked them politely, yet then only for as long as they remembered and were not triggered to revert to what is, after all, natural for them. Then, when I reminded them, they said: "Oh, sorry!" and switched back to Hoch/Schriftdeutsch. Repeat.

As I see it, one of the key things that help, when integrating into a country or language zone, is to accept that the locals are going to, and will, and are free to, and have every right to, speak their own language the way they speak it in their own area. That's just nature. The local language is part of the basic cultural fabric of any place. It is neither better nor worse not bluer nor greener than any other language anywhere else. It is what it is, and that's the fact of the matter. The sooner one develops ways to deal with that, amicably, the easier life gets.
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Many Swiss aren't capable of speaking Proper German Hochdeutsch.
Because officially we don't speak "German Hochdeutsch" in Switzerland, but Swiss Standard German.
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I am just very upset with the fact that I pay a school, I am going to the 3ed year of Management BWL with a lot of effort, financially and emotionally.
I am tired of asking the teatchers alllll the time to switch to High German.
I dont know how to deal with that anymore, I have one more year to go, well a bit more, the end of this year and next.

I will write the school about it, but I feel really sad and desappointed at the moment. My new class are a bunch of spoiled kids ( I am already 37) and they confront me and support the teatcher speaking dialekt, which is wrong, since is written in the guidelines of the course that the official languge is German.

Sorry for the emotional msg. Thanks for tipps and constructive messages, maybe it helps me going through a few more months.
@flubber03,

I have discussed this issue with a few born-and-bred Swiss some years ago. Their unanimous opinion was to always, always ask the teacher, the speaker, the trainer, whoever is at whatever is that I'm attending to speak in High German.
And, talking from personal experience when I attended a course where I was the only foreigner in a class of 10 adults, people will understand. I was actually asked by our instructor which language I'm more comfortable with - and he did teach his class in High German, although some questions from the class were coming in Swiss-German. It was fun, embarrassing at times but we all made it through. Of course I felt bad, but that was the only option back then.

It may be useless for OP now, but maybe someone else will encounter the same problem one day.
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