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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

With regard to post, the only time I ever had anything stolen was when Amazon delivered a package of speaker stands late and I happened to be away for 3 weeks on holiday while they were left in the building hallway. Someone unpacked and took them and left the box. No-one claimed to know about it but the bottom floor were students who had house parties all the time, so I am guessing one of the guests nabbed them. Amazon sent another out immediately (as usual), so I wasn't too put out.
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Old 01.12.2020, 07:23
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Sadly, package theft is becoming more common in my area. It's worse this time of year.

The Package Post Powers That Be told me that they are not required to deliver packages to a building or house door, but rather only to the first covered location near the street.

Because that first covered place (the common Quartier garage) is visible from the street but not our houses, it's a pretty easy target for package theft.

Not much you can do, other than use a signature-required form of delivery where available.

Is that where the mailboxes are located? If not, how can they even know they have the recipient's correct delivery address? It sounds more like dumping rather than delivering.

All our packages are delivered to our front door by the post office even those not requiring a signature. DPD and DHL seem to always require a signature.

We have had a few issues with the post office since moving but using the online chat on the post office website these have been resolved. Might be worth contacting them. You can attach photos to the chat.

They do sell mailboxes with a large parcel section which locks.

If you register with the post office the app notifies you when a package will be delivered.
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Old 01.12.2020, 09:23
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

I live in Geneva on a quite busy street and our front door is not locked so the mailboxes are there open to all (only another one inside is locked that prevents people to enter the building).

Often at night youngsters drink booze and smoke mary jane in the square close by.

No packages stolen neither from me or my neighbours.

Usually the expensive stuff is in big boxes, so the mailman has to either use the interphone or leave the notice and you need to go to the post office.

The only time I ordered something small but pricey (new phone), I had it delivered to one of those Pick up points in Migros.
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Old 01.12.2020, 10:31
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I've not seen many problems with parcels being stolen by Porche Pirates, they're a bigger issue on the motorway where they try and steal your rear bumper.

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Is that where the mailboxes are located? If not, how can they even know they have the recipient's correct delivery address? It sounds more like dumping rather than delivering.
Yes it is. Packages are left on the garage floor near the mail boxes. This section of the garage is open to the street.

Our houses are all well back from the street. Apparently it would take too much time to deliver to the individual house doors, so the regional Package Post policy is to leave everything in the garage. I would imagine that the mail boxes are in the garage, rather than at our individual houses, for the same reason. But at least the mail boxes are locked.

I'd love some kind of locked package storage, but am hesitant to bring this up with at the Quartierversammlung. Our last... erm...improvement where our 'nicht mehr im Trend' mailboxes were replaced with newer boxes that looked exactly the same, cost a cool 15K. Ah, the joys of communal decision making.
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Unfortunately, the dye-bombs used by banks to mark cash are not legally sold anywhere.
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As times get tough it will get worse. People are loosing jobs and are hungry for their standards of living.

Also , I know someone who worked security for a department store. It was a known fact that Romanians would come to Switzerland by bus as a tam, They would go out and seal and then at the end of the day come back to the buses and head home with their stuff. Please I have been to Romania and know Romanians here and thy are nice people.

Actually, as I think about it it would happen in Canada when I lived there. I am from Canada. People would steal in out small town and then take the products to another larger town in another province and dispose of the goods.

Also, there are many people on drugs and alcohol who need to support their habits.

You can not be a victim. Take safeguards how ever you can.
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With cams it's a bit of a grey area. Generally you're not allowed to record people 'for fun' but if there has been a serious incident the police usually put out appeals for footage. Often that footage is not deemed fair or offering an unbiased view therefore is excluded from evidence and that has little to do with privacy. If you film Mr X stealing a package that might not be enough to gain a conviction but it would be enough for the police to make enquiries.
It's kinda what I follow with my cameras .. They point to my doors, garden, garage etc.. I may film the postman dropping stuff in the mailbox but I'm not filming him, I'm filming my mailbox and he happened to be there.. I wouldn't post that film on facebook for fun but would hand it over if required.
Same for my garage, I only aim at my garage but if my neighbour happens to walk in front of it... You know.
One of my cameras also sees the public road so that part is filtered out and not captured..

I think if you follow this sort of common sense then cameras are fine.
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Old 02.12.2020, 14:14
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

I wonder if our building management would take issue with me putting a "Sprengverband Schweiz" (Swiss Association of People Properly Qualified to Blow Sh*t Up) sticker on my letterbox. There should still be some lying around from my grandfather... Probably too subtle.
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As times get tough it will get worse. People are loosing jobs and are hungry for their standards of living.

Also , I know someone who worked security for a department store. It was a known fact that Romanians would come to Switzerland by bus as a tam, They would go out and seal and then at the end of the day come back to the buses and head home with their stuff. Please I have been to Romania and know Romanians here and thy are nice people.

Actually, as I think about it it would happen in Canada when I lived there. I am from Canada. People would steal in out small town and then take the products to another larger town in another province and dispose of the goods.

Also, there are many people on drugs and alcohol who need to support their habits.

You can not be a victim. Take safeguards how ever you can.
Wow really? The Romanians are coming by bus, stealing parcels (or whatever) and returning by bus, all on the same day?! They are a very efficient bunch, these Romanians! 😂
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Old 02.12.2020, 14:37
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It's kinda what I follow with my cameras .. They point to my doors, garden, garage etc.. I may film the postman dropping stuff in the mailbox but I'm not filming him, I'm filming my mailbox and he happened to be there.. I wouldn't post that film on facebook for fun but would hand it over if required.
Same for my garage, I only aim at my garage but if my neighbour happens to walk in front of it... You know.
One of my cameras also sees the public road so that part is filtered out and not captured..

I think if you follow this sort of common sense then cameras are fine.
I'm not sure you're allowed to install a camera if it's a common space i.e. in a block of flats, unless you have everyone's written approval (according to my OH, so I don't know what the law stipulates exactly).
But, I bet, you'd be surprised how many people wouldn't agree with cameras etc.

When we order something we kind of make sure one of us is at home, rarely ordered something and then left for holiday or a trip. We have an (unwritten) convention with the neighbours that if we see a parcel at the entrance for too long we take it inside in the hall. Never happened to have anything stolen here, but I wouldn't discard the possibility. It really can be everyone who passes by in the area. Veeeery slim chances, but still.
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Old 02.12.2020, 14:45
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Wow really? The Romanians are coming by bus, stealing parcels (or whatever) and returning by bus, all on the same day?! They are a very efficient bunch, these Romanians! 😂
The less time on Swiss soil the less chance of getting caught. They also come as gangs to rob apartments. When I first moved to where I live now, September/October would mark the time of random people wandering around during the day on Fridays, usually two women, one older, one younger (always different ones), seemingly lost and very interested in the entrances of buildings. I would always go and ask them if they were lost and what address they were looking for. The first time, they said an address that doesn't exist (rookie mistake) and I said as much, offering to get my phone out to check for them. They did not want to be in front of a camera phone, oddly enough.

The subsequent times they had actually prepared an answer but were unable to give the name of the person they wanted to visit. I haven't seen them these past few years but then I'm also not habitually sat in a study room with a view of the outdoors any more. There are several retired neighbours who share my cynical nature though, so our neck of the woods is not ideal for people with bad intentions. And if you think worse of me for not minding my own business - there are about a 100 burglaries in Switzerland EVERY DAY. Back in 2012 it was even twice that, so we have a lot to be thankful for, whatever has changed has made a positive impact.
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The less time on Swiss soil the less chance of getting caught. They also come as gangs to rob apartments. When I first moved to where I live now, September/October would mark the time of random people wandering around during the day on Fridays, usually two women, one older, one younger (always different ones), seemingly lost and very interested in the entrances of buildings. I would always go and ask them if they were lost and what address they were looking for. The first time, they said an address that doesn't exist (rookie mistake) and I said as much, offering to get my phone out to check for them. They did not want to be in front of a camera phone, oddly enough.

The subsequent times they had actually prepared an answer but were unable to give the name of the person they wanted to visit. I haven't seen them these past few years but then I'm also not habitually sat in a study room with a view of the outdoors any more. There are several retired neighbours who share my cynical nature though, so our neck of the woods is not ideal for people with bad intentions. And if you think worse of me for not minding my own business - there are about a 100 burglaries in Switzerland EVERY DAY. Back in 2012 it was even twice that, so we have a lot to be thankful for, whatever has changed has made a positive impact.
Fair enough, there are many burglaries in Switzerland, but perhaps don't limit it to the bus driving in-and-out Romanians..
FWIW, if I were out looking for some address (or just walking around) and someone approached me asking where I'm going, who I'm looking for, I would also not appreciate having a camera in my face. But who knows, maybe I'm also stealing, right?
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Fair enough, there are many burglaries in Switzerland, but perhaps don't limit it to the bus driving in-and-out Romanians..
FWIW, if I were out looking for some address (or just walking around) and someone approached me asking where I'm going, who I'm looking for, I would also not appreciate having a camera in my face. But who knows, maybe I'm also stealing, right?
I didn't point it at their face, I merely got it out of my pocket and held it so I could see. This was enough for them to suddenly be in a great hurry.
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I didn't point it at their face, I merely got it out of my pocket and held it so I could see. This was enough for them to suddenly be in a great hurry.
Ok got it. And you know they are Romanians how?
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Ok got it. And you know they are Romanians how?
I don't understand Romanian but I can identify it. Look, I agree that we should not generalise, however, this has been a known issue for at least a decade. They are usually affiliated with the gangs of beggars who will do things like wander about barefoot in winter to gain sympathy. One morning I was at the tram stop of the eleven going into town and a whole group was gathered there. I actually saw one lady take off her shoes and handing them to someone before getting on the tram. She then had the audacity to target me for her begging. I told her to get lost or I would call the police. She was not happy with this, pretty sure I am now cursed in some way. I certainly find my cutlery gets stuck in drawers more often these days.
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Wow really? The Romanians are coming by bus, stealing parcels (or whatever) and returning by bus, all on the same day?! They are a very efficient bunch, these Romanians! 😂
It's not just them, I've heard of other people who have strong organisational skills in crime, if only there was a term for these organised criminals.
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I don't understand Romanian but I can identify it. Look, I agree that we should not generalise, however, this has been a known issue for at least a decade. They are usually affiliated with the gangs of beggars who will do things like wander about barefoot in winter to gain sympathy. One morning I was at the tram stop of the eleven going into town and a whole group was gathered there. I actually saw one lady take off her shoes and handing them to someone before getting on the tram. She then had the audacity to target me for her begging. I told her to get lost or I would call the police. She was not happy with this, pretty sure I am now cursed in some way. I certainly find my cutlery gets stuck in drawers more often these days.
Ahhh, you mean the Roma beggars. Might be, but I don't know if they all come from my country. Back home we let them be, I never considered them dangerous. Some are organised, some not.
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Ahhh, you mean the Roma beggars. Might be, but I don't know if they all come from my country. Back home we let them be, I never considered them dangerous. Some are organised, some not.
Yep, I think that's what they meant..
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Ahhh, you mean the Roma beggars. Might be, but I don't know if they all come from my country. Back home we let them be, I never considered them dangerous. Some are organised, some not.
According to my Romanian friend, there's been in influx into Basel, and it is organised. He's quite prejudiced against certain groups himself.
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