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Old 04.12.2020, 00:08
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

this was a well-known phenomenon in Ticino that was reduced with police information campaigns and old-lady-on-the-phone surveillance of neighbourhood streets leading to more car checks by the police and arrests as they find thieving tools in the car.

They don't come from romania, they do expeditions from the squatter camps in Milan, Turin and Lyon.

It's often in-and-out in a day, it's just one border.

Some years back when it was huge, it was mostly copper from construction sites. Companies wisened up and that decreased. Before it was just all in the open.

The begging is mostly limited to border towns like Basel, Geneva and Lausanne.

Ticino banned begging when the racket started to seep over the border so it never took hold it seems, at least in my city.

Regarding porch piracy, I must say it never occured as a possibility to me before because the Post never left packages out in my hometown. I must say that were was also no covered place right by the mailbox. Now I sometimes get packages at a flat in german switzerland and everything is left there, even expensive stuff. Strikes me as weird, but people even leave unlocked bikes around here. It's the innocence given by living away from the border.
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Old 04.12.2020, 11:25
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

For the first year I lived here, I was shocked to find parcels left on my doorstep, on the basis that any passerby could have helped themselves. But nothing ever went missing. By about year 3, I stopped being worried, specially after an instance of forgetting to lock the car on the driveway with a wallet on the passenger seat in easy sight, several times forgetting to close the front door and finding it open the next morning, or memorably, going away for a weekend and not realising that I'd left the garage door with motorbikes and tools all in plain view - nothing has ever been nicked.

Reading this thread though, I've clearly been lulled into la-la-land thinking that mountain life is where theft just doesn't happen. I've just watched a whole bunch of youtube clips of people being caught on camera nicking stuff from homes in the US and UK. So I'm going to be a lot more vigilant from now!
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Old 04.12.2020, 12:37
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For the first year I lived here, I was shocked to find parcels left on my doorstep, on the basis that any passerby could have helped themselves. But nothing ever went missing. By about year 3, I stopped being worried, specially after an instance of forgetting to lock the car on the driveway with a wallet on the passenger seat in easy sight, several times forgetting to close the front door and finding it open the next morning, or memorably, going away for a weekend and not realising that I'd left the garage door with motorbikes and tools all in plain view - nothing has ever been nicked.

Reading this thread though, I've clearly been lulled into la-la-land thinking that mountain life is where theft just doesn't happen. I've just watched a whole bunch of youtube clips of people being caught on camera nicking stuff from homes in the US and UK. So I'm going to be a lot more vigilant from now!
Yeah, me too. I'm usually careful but not so much to live with these worries though. We have insurance for home burglary, as for post parcels I guess you should be more worried if you lived in border towns, all sort of people can come and go every day. I hope the police will catch as many as they can, though the job is difficult if these crimes are committed by international and transfrontalier mafia type of gangs.

10 years ago French gangs were committing armed robberies, if it's not with violence I'm personally not extremely afraid.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/gangs-p...urity/29448468

It was a bit amusing to read how the criminals think

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“Switzerland’s like a wonderland; there is everything and less security than in France. The Swiss are naive and everyone is rich,” a gang member told the programme.
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Reading this thread though, I've clearly been lulled into la-la-land thinking that mountain life is where theft just doesn't happen.
From what my neighbors say, it's because we have 'been lulled into la-la land' that there has been an uptick of theft in recent years. It's well known that the default for wealthy Switzerland is trust, and unfortunately some folks with bad intentions see a trusting society as a target.

I don't live anywhere near a border - and yet there have been a couple burglaries in our Quartier. So much for the stereotype.

I keep doors locked, and frankly I now allow the Muttley Crew a brief woof or two more than I would have in the past, as I'm guessing that the reason our direct neighbor was broken into rather than our house was their presence.

Sure, criminality here is still a small fraction of what it is elsewhere. But it does happen. It's a terrible shame, but perhaps we can no longer afford to be as trusting. The times, they are a-changin'.
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Old 04.12.2020, 14:16
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From what my neighbors say, it's because we have 'been lulled into la-la land' that there has been an uptick of theft in recent years.
After my left-open garage door incident, my OH rang our insurance chap, asking him whether a claim would be honored if we were burgled in those circumstances (OH being clever to try and prove a point to me).

Response from our broker - "Of course you'd be covered. We haven't had a claim in your area before, so the risk for us is low and worth insuring, even accounting for any stupidity!!"

Which wasn't quite the response my OH wanted to impress upon me, BUT it did make me squirm!
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Old 04.12.2020, 17:53
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Had a new experience today that seemed relevant to post here. The Postman was delivering packages and rang my bell so I went down. I got my package (he signed for me, in front of me) and put one of my neighbor's packages just inside the door. All typical and fine.

I asked about the third package, and he said it's got a special code on it and he's not allowed to leave it inside the door. I said okay, the person's flat is right there if you want to set it in front of the door. You can literally see the door of the flat while standing outside, so it would be what, 10 steps? He said no, still not allowed. So he scanned it and stuck it in the lower part of the post box.

How is that more secure than leaving right in front of his door?
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Well, they caught one in Zurich, one down, probably several hundred to go.
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Old 15.12.2020, 16:07
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

We are usually missing one item a month from the post. A couple years ago the landlords did post a warning about missing post. Last year they installed surveillance cameras. Recently when I had a confirmed delivery (from DiePost), and nothing to show, I asked them about the cameras - they denied that cameras were present
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Old 15.12.2020, 16:18
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Happened to me twice in the past, but both occasions are now at least 10 years back.

If anything of value is being delivered I ask for it to come registered so I can pick it up at the post office.

On one of the above occasions an item worth about 200CHF was stolen. At first the seller pretended it wasn't their problem and said to take it up with the post office or police.

But fortunately I was able to produce the bill in which I specifically asked for and payed for registered delivery.
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Old 15.12.2020, 17:14
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Happened to me twice in the past, but both occasions are now at least 10 years back.

If anything of value is being delivered I ask for it to come registered so I can pick it up at the post office.

On one of the above occasions an item worth about 200CHF was stolen. At first the seller pretended it wasn't their problem and said to take it up with the post office or police.

But fortunately I was able to produce the bill in which I specifically asked for and payed for registered delivery.
Definitely a safer idea.
Interestingly enough we have even had issues with registered mail being 'accepted' by some one else.
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According to my Romanian friend, there's been in influx into Basel, and it is organised. He's quite prejudiced against certain groups himself.
I have an office in Basel town centre and there are a huge amount currently, but they're easy enough to ignore. I prefer to give to old Swiss junkies (who seem to be forced out a bit by the Roma people), at least that keeps the money in the local economy...
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We are usually missing one item a month from the post. A couple years ago the landlords did post a warning about missing post. Last year they installed surveillance cameras. Recently when I had a confirmed delivery (from DiePost), and nothing to show, I asked them about the cameras - they denied that cameras were present
I think he'd have to ask your written permission for that, did he ever do it?

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Definitely a safer idea.
Interestingly enough we have even had issues with registered mail being 'accepted' by some one else.
Also not recommendable to sign for someone else, even when it's possible.

The only thing you can safely do, I assume, is to take the boxes inside of the building you're living in and not let them lay around practically in the street for days on, even if they belong to your neighbours. Unfortunately many think it's not their business so they wouldn't move a finger. ..
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Old 15.12.2020, 18:13
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I think he'd have to ask your written permission for that, did he ever do it?



Also not recommendable to sign for someone else, even when it's possible.

The only thing you can safely do, I assume, is to take the boxes inside of the building you're living in and not let them lay around practically in the street for days on, even if they belong to your neighbours. Unfortunately many think it's not their business so they wouldn't move a finger. ..


We never got asked for permission, the huge cameras at each entrance just 'appeared' one day.


Things a bit better since at least I'm at home, but even a few minutes apparently can be enough to miss something. I try to time myself to their generic schedule. Or I wait around in the entrance +/- an hour :P Of course there's the next issue with being deemed a stalker
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Things a bit better since at least I'm at home, but even a few minutes apparently can be enough to miss something. I try to time myself to their generic schedule. Or I wait around in the entrance +/- an hour :P Of course there's the next issue with being deemed a stalker
Perhaps PickPost is the solution you're looking for?

You essentially agree to them reducing the service without a rebate, so it's effectively a price increase, but that's probably still better than getting packets stolen.

As for not getting your registered mail:
A while back, during Covid, i happened to be at the front door when the postman rang my bell. Unaware of his ringing, and as is the custom in our building, I opened the door to see if some neighbor needs letting in, only to realise it was the postman. He asked "Mr Urs Max?" and, after my nod, handed me the registered letter, no ID or other proof necessary, no signature either. I might just as well have accepted a registered letter for someone else in the building, the postman would never have known.
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

In our apartment block (Zurich City) packages are constantly stolen. Especially now in Covid times, Post often just drops packages outside, even for my neighbours who have paid for having their packages dropped at their doorstep.
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Well, second stolen package in less than a month!

What really stands out is that the delivery note said it was delivered at 12:32 today, and when I went to check around 12:35 then there was nothing there.

Which seems to point that the delivery guy is the person who stole it.

Swisspost doesn't have any settings to make them keep all packages in post office either, nor does it let to transfer small packages to pickpoints. Leaving you at mercy of the delivery guy.

Definitely putting a hidden camera in the lobby now.
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Well, second stolen package in less than a month!

What really stands out is that the delivery note said it was delivered at 12:32 today, and when I went to check around 12:35 then there was nothing there.

Which seems to point that the delivery guy is the person who stole it.

Swisspost doesn't have any settings to make them keep all packages in post office either, nor does it let to transfer small packages to pickpoints. Leaving you at mercy of the delivery guy.

Definitely putting a hidden camera in the lobby now.
I had one package lost/stolen(according to SwissPost it was delivered, according to the shop it was untraceable), I contacted SwissPost about it and I have to say, in my case, they have been super nice, they asked for the shipping data, price of the item, etc. and gave me refund in 2 days.
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

1.register at post.ch
2. You will get an email, when something arrives (Parcel or registered mail).
3. Now you can delay the shipment or redirect to a place , where you can pick it up
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