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Old 25.11.2020, 23:38
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Porch pirates in Switzerland?

How common are stolen packages by your experiences?

It seems to be the standard that people purchase items online, they are delivered and left either at their doorstep or in the general PO box for all to take.

Yet today was my first experience of item theft, the package was opened and the electronic device was taken out. The shipment box was still there..

Not sure if the retailer will reimburse or send a new one, or if I should contact police. In post office they pretended not to understand English when I took this topic up (and yet they all speak it fluently when it's about anything else)

Also wondering, would it be legal to place decoy packages with IP-camera rolling and taking picture of whoever opens the box? (As they do in the US)
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Old 26.11.2020, 08:20
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

I'm not sure that it is very common at all. I've received many packages over the years with no trouble.


Certainly the responsibility does not lie with the retailer nor the post office. They both fulfilled their responsibility.


My thought would be to contact the police and surely there must be some sort of insurance that covers this?


I also think that decoy packages are likely illegal, due to filming people without their consent, but I'm not certain of this.
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Old 26.11.2020, 08:39
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I guess it's pretty common in shared buildings/mailboxes, i've certainly heard a few stories..
Not just mail, I went to buy something from a lady in Geneva, was just a 20.- item, she told me it was in the mailbox, just leave the cash ... The item was gone when i arrived.

It would be problematic to setup a camera pointing at shared mailboxes or common areas. You certainly couldn't use it in court.. I have cameras at my place but it's individual ..
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Old 26.11.2020, 08:56
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I also think that decoy packages are likely illegal, due to filming people without their consent, but I'm not certain of this.
There was another case recently where dashcam video evidence was thrown out. I disagree with that, but ...

But if you have a notice up stating that everyone is under surveillance, you should be OK.
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Old 26.11.2020, 09:01
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But if you have a notice up stating that everyone is under surveillance, you should be OK.

Not sure an individual can do that in a common area...
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Old 26.11.2020, 10:05
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

If the package/letter is tracked you can usually arrange a day/time for it to be delivered so you could go down straightaway and get it or even arrange to pick it up personally at the post office.
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Old 26.11.2020, 10:12
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

I too had no issues with parcels left out on doorstep. However once my neighbours parcel was stolen during Christmas last year. He still blames it on "Eastern European Christmas shopping" although it could be anyone. Sad thinking on his part unfortunately.

Usually the delivery guy takes a picture with date/time/GPS coordinates. So the delivery company can prove it was delivered, and they are covered.
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Sadly, package theft is becoming more common in my area. It's worse this time of year.

The Package Post Powers That Be told me that they are not required to deliver packages to a building or house door, but rather only to the first covered location near the street.

Because that first covered place (the common Quartier garage) is visible from the street but not our houses, it's a pretty easy target for package theft.

Not much you can do, other than use a signature-required form of delivery where available.

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Old 26.11.2020, 11:09
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Someone needs to develop some type of keyed dropbox where the delivery person places the parcel, removes the key and puts that in your letterbox. Or sends you a barcode so you can open it.

Although we are quite rural in our village Iím looking for something like that for our house.
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Old 26.11.2020, 11:22
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Someone needs to develop some type of keyed dropbox where the delivery person places the parcel, removes the key and puts that in your letterbox. Or sends you a barcode so you can open it.

Although we are quite rural in our village Iím looking for something like that for our house.
Even for us in the little villages we probably get the passing trade of no-gooders..

I found a backpack in a field next to my house recently, opened it up and and found it was full of school work, including their email address .. We reunited the bag with the owner and he told us it was stolen from near the school in Nyon earlier that day.

A reminder for me that the thieves are at least passing through my little village - or live here.
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Old 26.11.2020, 11:49
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

i'd be in favour of having decoy packages (and bikes) with a small amount of explosive in the packaging and bike seat.

that should quickly deter/disable would-be thieves.
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Old 26.11.2020, 11:53
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Among the neighbors, we take the packages of others inside (behind locked front door) when the post people leave them just there. I started to do this when I saw a box for 2 days outside, the guy was traveling.

I've ordered several things since March and always had the discussion with the seller to use collection at post office. Sellers thinking that by saving me 5-10 CHF on shipping over a costly order is good service. Always had to finish the discussion with if you don't use the Post with collection at post office please cancel my order.

Not a big deal when you are in direct contact via email/phone with seller, the problem is online shops where the option doesn't exist.
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Old 26.11.2020, 12:12
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Glitter bomb them.

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Old 26.11.2020, 12:42
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

In our old apartment in Basel, we had a long term neighbour who sold special "goods" & received regular unsavoury customers as visitors. We had packages and clothing from the dry room regularly stolen from inside our building...frustrating as heck. We complained directly to the neighbour and it magically stopped happening.
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

It's not uncommon. I just don't get it that the delivery companies are allowed to leave stuff out in the open and that's seen as fulfilling their duty. I don't think the die Post do this unless you expressly permit them to.
I don't know if you'd have any luck complaining to the seller that the item arrived but there was nothing in the box. I doubt there would be any insurance that you could take yourself that would cover items left outside in an open area.


With cams it's a bit of a grey area. Generally you're not allowed to record people 'for fun' but if there has been a serious incident the police usually put out appeals for footage. Often that footage is not deemed fair or offering an unbiased view therefore is excluded from evidence and that has little to do with privacy. If you film Mr X stealing a package that might not be enough to gain a conviction but it would be enough for the police to make enquiries.
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Someone needs to develop some type of keyed dropbox where the delivery person places the parcel, removes the key and puts that in your letterbox. Or sends you a barcode so you can open it.

Although we are quite rural in our village I’m looking for something like that for our house.
Check this: https://www.stebler.ch/briefkasten/p...etboxen/s-easy

We have it at our house:
* there are 3 boxes, with size S, M, L
* for each apartment there is a delivery bell
* delivery person calls the apartment, selects one box (if empty), places the package there
* once the door has closed, a PIN is sent via email to you
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Re: Porch pirates in Switzerland?

Now this story is likely apocryphal, but I recently heard of a street in which the residents continually had packets taken from their doorstep. The friend of a friend (isn't it always??) bought a good quantity of drugs from dealers and put it in a bag which he left on his doorstep. Pretending to be out he carefully monitored the packet with a camera and sure enough a hooded fellow arrived to steal the bag.


He then called the police to inform them someone was dealing drugs and was on the street now. Police came screeching up, searched the man, found the drugs, was arrested and eventually sent to jail. Since then there has not been a problem.


I guess that could be a good solution?
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:28
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Someone needs to develop some type of keyed dropbox where the delivery person places the parcel, removes the key and puts that in your letterbox. Or sends you a barcode so you can open it.

Although we are quite rural in our village Iím looking for something like that for our house.
They're called parcel lockers in the USA, but only used by USPS as far as I know and they're not overly huge. I can imagine installing big parcel lockers here would be pricey.

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Among the neighbors, we take the packages of others inside (behind locked front door) when the post people leave them just there. I started to do this when I saw a box for 2 days outside, the guy was traveling.
We do that too, it's a small building and someone is always going up or down past the mailboxes. It's rare that something is left outside for long. I think it also helps that we're on a dead-end street.
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:47
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Now this story is likely apocryphal, but I recently heard of a street in which the residents continually had packets taken from their doorstep. The friend of a friend (isn't it always??) bought a good quantity of drugs from dealers and put it in a bag which he left on his doorstep. Pretending to be out he carefully monitored the packet with a camera and sure enough a hooded fellow arrived to steal the bag.


He then called the police to inform them someone was dealing drugs and was on the street now. Police came screeching up, searched the man, found the drugs, was arrested and eventually sent to jail. Since then there has not been a problem.


I guess that could be a good solution?
I know an easier one. We used to have papers stolen every morning from our mail box. Until we got up very early and exchanged the newspapes for really old commie ones

I'd just chose a post-office pick up for anything ordered.
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