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Ever heard about the squeaky wheel gets the grease? If you don't call attention of the police to your problem, why do you expect them to solve it?

On the other hand, afraid of human interaction? That suits really well the online bravado
No it wasn't about human interaction, once accident was called in and police started to arrive (in total maybe 6-7 cars, perhaps more, marked, unmarked including the Transporter vans) you simply wait for everything to be cleared up. I really don't think it was necessary to call again and ask hey, can you guys get us out of here? I mean, not in my mind at least, lots of police still present, everybody waits for them to do their job and not get in the way.

As I said, it was real quick to get everything going once it was clear there was no action from the police, I don't know what the police were thinking of not being proactive so late in the night and after so long after the accident happened.

Around 11:30 when people started to get out of cars and started asking around it than became clear no action was planned, the police present there simply said we are securing the scene waiting on the judge or whatever to arrive in the morning, at that time word started to spread and people got wild
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:14
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do you need someone to tell you your arse is dirty and needs a wipe too? maybe now you'll include a coat, blanket and a bottle of water in your car, if only someone like TCS recommended people do that
I will certainly let anybody with children or elderly stuck there all night with bottle of water and blanket, we will call it camping
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:44
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I really don't think it was necessary to call again and ask hey, can you guys get us out of here? I mean, not in my mind at least, lots of police still present, everybody waits for them to do their job and not get in the way.

As I said, it was real quick to get everything going once it was clear there was no action from the police, I don't know what the police were thinking of not being proactive so late in the night and after so long after the accident happened.
Can you spot the communication problem? Never assume other people see what you seeing or think what you're thinking: ask, talk! Fear of speaking causes larger problems.

Quite precious to write about police not being proactive when people stay put 5 hours in silence instead of confronting them.
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Can you spot the communication problem? Never assume other people see what you seeing or think what you're thinking: ask, talk! Fear of speaking causes larger problems.

Quite precious to write about police not being proactive when people stay put 5 hours in silence instead of confronting them.
A supposition that the police don't know what happens when a highway gets blocked would be a grave insinuation...
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Can you spot the communication problem? Never assume other people see what you seeing or think what you're thinking: ask, talk! Fear of speaking causes larger problems.

Quite precious to write about police not being proactive when people stay put 5 hours in silence instead of confronting them.
What communication problem? Accident happened, police notified. There are injured and victims. What more are you supposed to do? Call each hour and ask? You see it's difficult situation so you wait. Or should you call like a Karen, hey guys, we are still stuck here?

From the first call there should have been a separate team to clear up these blocked cars, at least in the first 2 hours.

By the time you go and ask hey what's going on after 5 hours and the respond you get "I only secure the scene, don't know anything else" you realize no point on waiting or calling any more
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What communication problem? Accident happened, police notified. There are injured and victims. What more are you supposed to do? Call each hour and ask? You see it's difficult situation so you wait. Or should you call like a Karen, hey guys, we are still stuck here?
You didn't call after three hours, you didn't after four and neither did you near the 5 hour mark. And neither did you call when people start to do dangerous things. But you did a major traffic infraction by doing a U-Turn or use a non-official, non supervised crossing to the other side of the autobahn. You did something which, given the situation and possibilities at hand, is not covered by Art. 17 and 18 Swiss criminal Code. You ed up and so did anyone else.

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By the time you go and ask hey what's going on after 5 hours and the respond you get "I only secure the scene, don't know anything else" you realize no point on waiting or calling any more
The personal on scene and the guys in the command post are two different people with distinctly responsibility and functions. I do not now the structure and command hierarchy of the emergency services in Vaud, but depending how it is organized it might not even be the police which is actually in command. Very likely that the cross-over should have been opened by Siera http://www.ut2.ch/
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You didn't call after three hours, you didn't after four and neither did you near the 5 hour mark. And neither did you call when people start to do dangerous things. But you did a major traffic infraction by doing a U-Turn or use a non-official, non supervised crossing to the other side of the autobahn. You did something which, given the situation and possibilities at hand, is not covered by Art. 17 and 18 Swiss criminal Code. You ed up and so did anyone else.


The personal on scene and the guys in the command post are two different people with distinctly responsibility and functions. I do not now the structure and command hierarchy of the emergency services in Vaud, but depending how it is organized it might not even be the police which is actually in command. Very likely that the cross-over should have been opened by Siera http://www.ut2.ch/
As I said, no I didn't. That doesn't change anything as the police was already notified about the accident. They didn't do their job and brought some 400-500 cars in real danger that night because of their poor or non existent competence.

If they did their job there would be no dangerous u turns to people stranded for 5 hours during below 0 night.

But as you say, as soon as hundreds of cars around me started turning I should have called the police...
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Re: Swiss (traffic) police - what a joke

they did their job, they left you in the safest place for that situation, end of story.
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Re: Swiss (traffic) police - what a joke

I would accept that this situation could have been handled better, but again it is difficult to know what issues police were facing..police may have been tied up with other incidents other than just this crash.

It was one occurrence by one kantonal police department.

However, the title infers a general police incompetence, which I think is inappropriate. But hey, I guess it's typical of internet postings.
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As I said, no I didn't. That doesn't change anything as the police was already notified about the accident. They didn't do their job and brought some 400-500 cars in real danger that night because of their poor or non existent competence.
You as a concerned citizen did not do your job when you came aware that something is amiss and as you say there was a real danger.

You blame the police even though you do not know if it was actually the police's job to get the stuck cars from the autobahn.

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But as you say, as soon as hundreds of cars around me started turning I should have called the police...
You did neither at the three hour mark, nor at the four hour mark. You did not react at all even if the situation was dangerous and not under control. You did still not react when the situation really became dangerous. You as a citizen completely failed. Do not blame others for their lack of actions if you did neither act nor react properly in the given situation.
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What communication problem? Accident happened, police notified. There are injured and victims. What more are you supposed to do? Call each hour and ask? You see it's difficult situation so you wait. Or should you call like a Karen, hey guys, we are still stuck here?
Well, yes. You cannot claim about being ignored by the police without ensuring first the police is aware of your problem. Even in our daily lives I though you knew and expected you to act accordingly is a recipe for disaster for personal and professional relationships.

From a constructive approach to the issue.... if there were some recorded calls of people asking help to the police and they did nothing, this would be really interesting evidence to assess their actions. But, no evidence, nothing can be done beyond a thread in the complaints corner of EF
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Maybe the police needed all the people there in their cars so they could light the scene with a thousand headlights.
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You as a concerned citizen did not do your job when you came aware that something is amiss and as you say there was a real danger.

You blame the police even though you do not know if it was actually the police's job to get the stuck cars from the autobahn.


You did neither at the three hour mark, nor at the four hour mark. You did not react at all even if the situation was dangerous and not under control. You did still not react when the situation really became dangerous. You as a citizen completely failed. Do not blame others for their lack of actions if you did neither act nor react properly in the given situation.
Honestly... You make no logic

Next time an accident happens, call the police to attend to the injured and call a second time for them to clear the traffic jam.

Apparently none of the 500 cars waiting patiently knew that. Police can do only one thing at a time according to some posters here!
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However, the title infers a general police incompetence, which I think is inappropriate. But hey, I guess it's typical of internet postings.
That wasn't what I inferred, nor did I find it inappropriate.

Even before I read the first post, the thread title gave me the impression that the OP wants to vent about a particularly bad driving experience. In my opinion, the title fits the OP's description of their experience.

For a little off topic, today as I travelled into Geneva, my usual 30 min journey took 90 min. For sure I silently cursed the traffic and whatever inconvenienced my morning.

Turns out that an 18 year old lad that my daughter knows, slid off his scooter into the path of a bus. He's the 11th fatality on the Geneva streets this year. https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/un-sco...e-783620346865
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I don't understand the deference to the supposed good qualities of Vaud police. E.g. everybody knows the dealers on Lausanne streets. The cops kept their eyes wide shut until the businesses started pressing the politicians to do something. So, finally, the cops pushed them out of the center. They hopped into the buses, and surprise, villages around found their kids riding to schools with drug dealers. How come, the cops could only question one guy, the others are so smart that they manage to avoid the cops, just all the kids know who they are.
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