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A new neighbour that moved in is smoking pot in their balcony which is under us. The problem is that when they smoke pot it smells awful and we fear to open the windows from the smell. We are extremly tolerant people but this is too much. Do you think it's okay to report this to the Hauswart (the person which is responsible for the entire apartaments) or maybe i am exaggerating? Need to mention this happens regulary! Thank you in advance!
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Re: Neighbour smoking weed... (Smell awful)

I had a similar problem with my upstairs neighbours smoking tobacco constantly from 7 am to 1 am on their balcony, and also making a fair amount of noise. It was particularly unpleasant in the summer, and I have a lot of sympathy with your situation. I wish Switzerland had a choice of smoke-free apartment buildings, as is common in the USA and Canada, for those of us who prefer fresh air.

Unfortunately there is not much you can force your neighbours to do. It is their right to smoke on their balcony, and low strength cannabis is legal in Switzerland (and smells the same as the full strength stuff). The easiest thing you could try is to speak to them or write a polite note asking them not to smoke weed on the balcony because of the smell. If they are smoking the illegal stuff, they might take the hint and be more discrete.
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Re: Neighbour smoking weed... (Smell awful)

It could be worst I know some people who live in a building where the smoke permeates through the ventilation into their own flat (through the bathroom, plug sockets) and in the main building area, horrible.
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It could be worst I know some people who live in a building where the smoke permeates through the ventilation into their own flat (through the bathroom, plug sockets) and in the main building area, horrible.
'It could be worse" is never much of a consolation.
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First tell the neighbours, if it continues tell the landlord, if it persists find another flat.
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Re: Neighbour smoking weed... (Smell awful)

Maybe you could drop a hint and put some adds for vaporizers on their door or in their mailbox. If you 'smoke' weed through a vaporizer, there is no smoke and it doesn't smell as bad as when you smoke it the usual way (in a joint, etc.).

Or you could get crafty and make them some DIY smoke filters. When I was in high school, we would sometimes smoke weed in my parents' basement and try to be ninja about it. You take an empty toilet paper roll and stuff one end of it with a scented dryer sheet and then blow your inhaled smoke through it. Works like a charm.
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First tell the neighbours, if it continues tell the landlord, if it persists find another flat.
Where, judging by the number of people who smoke here, you're quite likely to find you have exactly the same problem.
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Re: Neighbour smoking weed... (Smell awful)

Welcome to Switzerland, where everybody smokes weed or tobacco and considers it a human right (wish they smoked more weed than the later, but oh well). Just politely speak with them in person or write a note. Weed smokers will be more willing to light up indoors than tobacco smokers - perhaps leave them some nice smelling incense as a gift...it kills the smell indoors.

I have the opposite issue as you do in that I have several neighbours within the vicinity that smoke cigarettes. There is absolutely nothing I can do about it other than move and I've had to accept it. I know the smokers' hours and I just sadly have to close the window during these times. I've also purchased a HEPA filter, which really helps if I accidentally leave it open.
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Re: Neighbour smoking weed... (Smell awful)

Tell them to stop because the smell is unpleasant for you. Pot may be tolerated, but it is still illegal. They will most likely stop it out of fear that you will call the police.
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I know the smokers' hours and I just sadly have to close the window during these times.
This is wisdom. Annoying to have to do, and I feel for you, but you've adopted a sensible way of dealing with it.
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We are extremly tolerant people but this is too much. Do you think it's okay to report this to the Hauswart (the person which is responsible for the entire apartaments)
I would suggest to talk to your neighbour first and explain the situation to them. Maybe you can find an agreement. If this doesn't work it would also be worthwhile to ask other neighbors if they also feel bothered by the smoke. Then you can reach out to your landlord/agency together and explain the situation. Legally speaking your neighbor is required to be considerate in those types of situations.

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Welcome to Switzerland, where everybody smokes weed or tobacco and considers it a human right (wish they smoked more weed than the later, but oh well).
One has to love generalizations. According to WHO, smoking prevalence is in line with many other European countries (i.e. Ireland, Portugal, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy, the Netherlands). Some are lower (Iceland, Denmark, UK) others are higher (Germany, France, Poland).

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Tell them to stop because the smell is unpleasant for you. Pot may be tolerated, but it is still illegal. They will most likely stop it out of fear that you will call the police.
It's legal if the THC content is below 1%.
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One has to love generalizations. According to WHO, smoking prevalence is in line with many other European countries (i.e. Ireland, Portugal, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy, the Netherlands). Some are lower (Iceland, Denmark, UK) others are higher (Germany, France, Poland).
Data is only good with a valid interpretation of it.

I cannot find the source but what you have written would appear to be true - when considering the number of people that smoke in a country.

Where Switzerland was much more aligned with Serbia and Albania in habit, rather was the sheer number of cigarettes that the smokers actually smoked.

It was simply that the average Swiss smoker would appear to be a chain smoker - and that is where the problem comes if you are a neighbour of such a smoker.

So it would appear that you are the one who is generalizing.
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Data is only good with a valid interpretation of it.

I cannot find the source but what you have written would appear to be true - when considering the number of people that smoke in a country.

Where Switzerland was much more aligned with Serbia and Albania in habit, rather was the sheer number of cigarettes that the smokers actually smoked.

It was simply that the average Swiss smoker would appear to be a chain smoker - and that is where the problem comes if you are a neighbour of such a smoker.

So it would appear that you are the one who is generalizing.
I have to admit that I'm not too surprised by your reply. You never really liked numbers if they contradict your opinion

Jokes aside, if you could have been bothered to look up cigarettes sold per capita as a very rough estimation of consumption, which I believe is what you were alluding to, you would have realized that the numbers still support my fundamental argument: there are some countries with smaller numbers (UK, Sweden, Norway), some that are about the same (Italy, Spain, the Netherlands), and some that are higher (Germany, Austria, Belgium).

But of course, the person who makes an argument based on numbers is generalizing, and not you or Susie-Q who seem to make an argument based on their subjective experience.
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One has to love generalizations. According to WHO, smoking prevalence is in line with many other European countries (i.e. Ireland, Portugal, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy, the Netherlands). Some are lower (Iceland, Denmark, UK) others are higher (Germany, France, Poland).
I wasn't generalizing anything - I have lived in three of the above countries and travelled to all of them, and Switzerland is the only one that clearly has a pro-smoker attitude among the population...I was not speaking in numbers. (However, you can still smoke in many bars in Denmark.)

If I politely ask that someone not put their cigarette in my face at the bus stop, I get a look as if I just told them their mother or first born was ugly. When the recent regulation passed that you can only smoke in certain places in the train station, my smoker mate said that "her basic human rights were being taken away". (I thought the ability to breathe was a basic human right, but what do I know.) Does anybody remember people smoking on the escalators in the train station? Who does that? In any country I've been to, people will purposefully stand apart from the crowd while smoking or blow the smoke the opposite direction. In my last flat, one of the tenants would hang out in the lobby while smoking a cigarette and nobody ever even thought to ask him no to.
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Where, judging by the number of people who smoke here, you're quite likely to find you have exactly the same problem.
I really look forward to the inevitable day when smoking is banned in any public or residential areas. I like Japans "smoking zones" dotted about on the streets that at least keeps things confined to specific areas.
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I have to admit that I'm not too surprised by your reply. You never really liked numbers if they contradict your opinion
They don't. The problem is that you are symplifying things

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Jokes aside,
I wasn't aware you had made one.

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... if you could have been bothered to look up cigarettes sold per capita as a very rough estimation of consumption, which I believe is what you were alluding to,
No, I wasn't. I'll explain it to you. Let me know if I am going too fast for you.

Cigarettes per capita.

A bit rough and ready. Not much detail. After all, babies and most children don't smoke. Nor do ex-smokers.

Breaking it down a bit with an example to get to what I was alluding to and which was shown in some data I read:

If the cigarette consumption, per capita, is the same in two countries, A and B. Lets say these small countries have 1000 people in them a piece.

In country A, and in country B, the average consumption is 10 cigs per person, per day. The same.

In country A, four hundred people smoke so that's 25 cigarettes a day for each smoker or just over a packet.
(10 x 1000 / 400)
In country B, only one hundred people smoke but the per capita amount is the same. Each smoker smokes 100 cigarettes a day, or five packets.
(10 x 1000 / 100)

The research I read suggested that the Swiss were like country B
Due to the population density and love of apartment living, the likelihood of living next to, and being disturbed by a heavy smoker, was much more likely in country B.

As you wrote, correctly, two countries might have the same per capita cigarette smoking but the effect on non-smokers might be completely different.

Now who was generalizing?
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'It could be worse" is never much of a consolation.
This is essentially Russian/Asian outlook on life ('It could be worse"). Adopt to anything and don't raise waves or you might get hurt figurately or literally. Such attitude usually leads to terrible living conditions, corruption and lawlessness all around.
My advise is to never ever use this phrase.
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A new neighbour that moved in is smoking pot in their balcony which is under us. The problem is that when they smoke pot it smells awful and we fear to open the windows from the smell. We are extremly tolerant people but this is too much. Do you think it's okay to report this to the Hauswart (the person which is responsible for the entire apartaments) or maybe i am exaggerating? Need to mention this happens regulary! Thank you in advance!
I can't stand the smell either. What about if you ask them to vape instead? At least that way you won't be affected.
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Re: Neighbour smoking weed... (Smell awful)

If you have problems with your neighbo(u)rs, then:
  • first try to talk to the neighbor,
  • if it fails, then try to resolve an issue with your landlord,
  • if that fails as well, then go to Mieterverband and get some help there.
  • if everything above fails, then become a legal guerilla or move.

I have the same neighbor as the OP. Sometimes smell is awful even with all widows closed, but that's thanks to a genius ventilation system in our building. For 2 years I tolerated him doing whatever he wants in his apartment and on his balcony, especially considering his known mental issues with the anxiety and the anger management.

But during the quarantine I developed a strong allergic reaction (never had any allergy in my life before). A couple of tests and the next thing I learned from a doctor, is that I'm getting pimples, tears and headaches due to high PM2.5 particles concentration in the air and a regular exposure to Acrolein. Next I bough an air quality analyzer (and 4 air purifiers with HEPA for my apartment) and found out, that I have spikes of up to 250 μg/m3 PM2.5, coinciding with a smell of weed.

Asked the guy very politely to stop vaping, when I'm working from home, due to my medical condition. Also wrote a letter to the landlord (a company) with a suggestion, that my rent shall be reduced. It was a back and forth process, but the results are present: he vapes less, I've got a couple hundreds CHF rent reduction for my air purification expenses and the inconvenience. But it took 6 months and about 40 hours of unpleasant tasks including some paper pushing to get there.


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This is essentially Russian/Asian outlook on life ('It could be worse"). Adopt to anything and don't raise waves or you might get hurt figurately or literally. Such attitude usually leads to terrible living conditions, corruption and lawlessness all around.
My advise is to never ever use this phrase.
I support this argument with only one correction to make: this is not about national groups or anything of this sort, this is about a general conservative vs progressive argument ("it can become worse" vs "it can be improved"). Many Russian and Asian people that I've met do not have this attitude in general, but some of my US folks have a sort of it. Many political forces everywhere are leaning towards a conservative rhetoric, it is just more in your face in political systems with a curtailed competition, which historically happen to be more wide spread to the East from the Berlin Wall. Also, the amount of wars and disasters in the Middle East, Central and South-East Asia may explain the tendency to appreciate peaceful days.
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Re: Neighbour smoking weed... (Smell awful)

Since a month ago temperatures are low enough to keep windows closed most of time. Maybe open 10-15 min to ventilate a bit the home but then close again. Is the guy smoking 24/7 so that you open the window and the smoke get in every time?

PS. since a few years ago with the low THC pot, the aroma is everywhere. It's really hard to pedal the bike in the summer, pass by a grill with lots of smoke from sausages and marijuana.....and don't crash the party
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