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Old 05.01.2021, 16:37
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Your basic misunderstanding: Your not at work to socialize, make friends or be popular, you're there to get the job done. Keep that in mind and the Swiss will suddenly seem very normal.
At my first interview in Switzerland the HR person asked me if I had any questions.

I had just come out of an American company where there were in my estimation unfair expectations on employees to conform, be indoctrinated and have to attend obligatory team building events that were more like ritual humilation,

I asked the nice Swiss HR what they expected of me personally or aside from my job.

He looked at me and said "We expect you to come to work, do your work and go home"
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At my first interview in Switzerland the HR person asked me if I had any questions.

I had just come out of an American company where there were in my estimation unfair expectations on employees to conform, be indoctrinated and have to attend obligatory team building events that were more like ritual humilation,

I asked the nice Swiss HR what they expected of me personally or aside from my job.

He looked at me and said "We expect you to come to work, do your work and go home"
Oh Lordy I think you must have worked at the sane place as me. It boasted about the *insert firm name here* culture, and treated people like shit
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Old 05.01.2021, 17:25
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At my first interview in Switzerland the HR person asked me if I had any questions.

I had just come out of an American company where there were in my estimation unfair expectations on employees to conform, be indoctrinated and have to attend obligatory team building events that were more like ritual humilation,

I asked the nice Swiss HR what they expected of me personally or aside from my job.

He looked at me and said "We expect you to come to work, do your work and go home"
Here in CH, once we had a CEO that organized team building events during weekends. I did not go once to a whole weekend event and started to get funny looks in the job, until..... the CEO got kicked out. Thankfully, we're back to afterwork beers or dinner during working days
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Old 05.01.2021, 18:45
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Do you think so?

Where I work it's the foreigners who are for the most part formal and rule sticklers, and come to work early, whereas the Swiss are mostly chummy, don't take the dress code too seriously, cut corners, joke about the rules and about the CEO, and like to go for an after-work beer (where I am usually the only foreigner although the office is about 75% foreign).

Yet strangely these foreigners all complain how the Swiss are so formal and difficult to befriend. It doesn't make any sense.
I know. But maybe somebody just turned up here and isn't exactly a Swiss office inventory, having functioned here for a couple of decades.

I come to work early. But that's coz they changed the trains I make up for it with chummy music I put on for everyone.

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Old 05.01.2021, 20:32
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At my first interview in Switzerland the HR person asked me if I had any questions.

I had just come out of an American company where there were in my estimation unfair expectations on employees to conform, be indoctrinated and have to attend obligatory team building events that were more like ritual humilation,

I asked the nice Swiss HR what they expected of me personally or aside from my job.

He looked at me and said "We expect you to come to work, do your work and go home"
At my first interview in Switzerland, the Swiss woman that interviewed me told me that she only had me come in because I'm American and she wanted to meet me because of that. She said she knew I was unqualified but because she lived in the US for a few years, she wanted to meet me simply because I'm American. I had taken a train 1 1/2 hours to get there, too. Some people are very strange... regardless of their nationality.
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Old 05.01.2021, 20:39
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I would love you to describe a 'very Swiss person'
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Old 05.01.2021, 21:00
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tdg...y-659929882473

He will like this.
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lol nope don't know anyone quite like that
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Old 05.01.2021, 22:05
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Can't get more 'Swiss' than Swiss Toni!

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Old 05.01.2021, 22:07
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Is he Ticinese?
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Old 05.01.2021, 22:18
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Hi Folks, how do you manage working with very Swiss people, I.e. very narrow minded, not inclusive and not particularly friendly. I am not saying that being very Swiss necessarily mean very rude. It’s just my experience. Thanks for your answers!
Probably you feel better after venting on this forum but generalising is wrong. But you must know that....don't you? I'm not sure what kind of answers you expect tbh, as we can't know all the details of your particular situation and we'll inevitably start to make all sort of generalisations ourselves.
Observe, analyse, try to engage them to be more communicative with you without being indiscreet or too persistent. It might work. It might also work if you change your workplace or the project you're working on if it's a larger company. It's not how they are it's how you react. Take care.
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Old 05.01.2021, 22:18
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Is he Ticinese?
You don't know Swiss Toni?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Toni

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Old 05.01.2021, 23:59
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I would love you to describe a 'very Swiss person' -
That's easy.

They are always two minutes + early and will make you feel guilty if you come 30 seconds late.

Their favourite saying is "Du muessch es sälber wisse" (or at least they'll think it). This saying is relatively difficult to translate but it basically means it's your own fault if you decide to do the wrong thing.

They'll shake your hand when they greet you.

They will not say "happy birthday" before the date as it's considered bad luck.

They'll know the weather forecast before it's even announced.

They can tell you all about the föhn.

They look at the "status" photos on Whatsapp and even upload some of their own.

Their grandparents are Eidgenossen.

They will make you say "Chuchikäschtli".

They'll say "well" like veil.

Someone in their family once played the handorgeli.

The men will brag about their military service and all their experiences they had there while saying how much they disliked it.

A real (German) Swiss will instinctively want to "dich hei tue", much like Kevin Bacon's Six Degrees Law, where they find the shortest path to connect you to them using your background. This is almost impossible to do with foreigners so you'll just have to be patient, do your work correctly, say "Gruezi" or "Hoi" and offer some entertaining or interesting small chat during coffee breaks.

And that, my friend, is a real Swiss.
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Old 06.01.2021, 00:03
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And that, my friend, is a real GERMAN Swiss.
FTFY.

And real Swiss speak Italian (even the German ones).

Tom
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Old 06.01.2021, 00:06
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FTFY.

And real Swiss speak Italian (even the German ones).

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That's easy.

........ say "Gruezi" or "Hoi" and offer some entertaining or interesting small chat during coffee breaks.

And that, my friend, is a real Swiss.
Gruezi with an enthusiastic tone or something stuck in your throat works the best!

Only say "Hoi" after the 3 kisses and proper introduction or after having their dog/your dog sniff theirs at least 20x over 3+ years. At work everyone in my little corner of the world just says "Hi"
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They can tell you all about the föhn.

They look at the "status" photos on Whatsapp and even upload some of their own.
I guess I'm a real Swiss German now.
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They can tell you all about the föhn.
Landline or mobile?
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Hi Folks, how do you manage working with very Swiss people, I.e. very narrow minded, not inclusive and not particularly friendly. I am not saying that being very Swiss necessarily mean very rude. It’s just my experience. Thanks for your answers!
Depends on the environment.

From many years experience, if you work in banking then you will

A) Not meet that many Swiss people

B) If you do, then be aware that there’s a whole bunch of them that you don’t want to be sitting opposite of if invited to lunch (but maybe I’m just a little OCD, or mixing in the wrong circles)

C) Find that if you weren’t friends since Kindergarten, you have a very small chance of being accepted into anything other than a professional relationship. Your parents may also have to have been friends since at least 3 decades, and be in a position to share stories and tips on building and renovating homes and / or vacation homes in the mountains. If you reach this level, then you know you’re in

D) But there are also many, many Swiss like me - quite a quite a few around - just happy to connect with less typically Swiss people ��

E). At the end of the day, I have come to the conclusion that Swiss people want to get the job done as well and efficiently as possible to get home to their family on time to cook dinner.

So, not complaining. My only advice - get to be more efficient, and stop looking for your social circle through work!
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Landline or mobile?
From the umlaut I think that the föhn is a Yorkshire one.
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