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...Are all your lamps LED? Changing just one bulb from filament to LED could save you around 20 CHF if you used it for four hours a day.
Some are, some aren't, unfortunately. There are built-in halogen lamps above the stove and under the cabinets to light the counter tops in our kitchen. I tried substituting an LED in one based on recommendations I read on EF, but it threw the breaker and destroyed the lamp. We had to order an entire new lamp assembly. The manufacturer said not every halogen can be replaced by LED but people try it all the time. Good businesss for them.
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Old 24.01.2021, 13:17
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

Somebody has a problem with the way the rented apartment is designed. I wouldn't make it my problem, voluntarily. I think if the neighbor contacts the regie and regie comes up with a master plan to fix it, I'd agree. Otherwise, getting somebody to fix it, or not using the WC light at night wouldn't be something I'd do. If their WC light/fan is the same, they know it should be split by the regie and on the regie's expense.
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Old 24.01.2021, 13:35
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Somebody has a problem with the way the rented apartment is designed.
The problem isn't the way the apartment is designed but the noise the ventilation causes after 10 pm at night.
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The problem isn't the way the apartment is designed but the noise the ventilation causes after 10 pm at night.
In properly built apartments this is/should be inaudible.

But in all seriousness - OP, I don't see your fault here, you are not doing anything wrong. Forward any complaints of your neighbour to your landlord. But knowing Swiss landlords - I doubt he/she will take upon starting any construction/repair work to fix the problem.
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Old 24.01.2021, 13:56
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With neighbors like that, once you "fix" the fan, they'll complain about the noise from flushing.
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Old 24.01.2021, 13:58
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With neighbors like that, once you "fix" the fan, they'll complain about the noise from flushing.
Maybe she wants OP to pee in her place.
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It's ridiculous that it's the same button, Tom. That's the crux of the problem.
It's not actually. Our three bathrooms and most of the ones I have visited in friends' houses have just the one switch.
It's also prudent to have it this way - the chances of not putting the exhaust on or leaving it on are minimized because most people do switch the light on/ off.
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Old 24.01.2021, 14:41
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

What I do not get is what the neighbor is complaining about? The noise of the fan should not be audible from upstairs unless the floors are paper thin? Or does her fan turn on too? This is most weird...

Personally I would not start a fight but also not give up as I sometimes need to use the bathro late at night for a million reasons I don't need to justify and I am not prepared to go around with led lights... Not reasonable IMHO
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Old 24.01.2021, 14:52
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It's not actually. Our three bathrooms and most of the ones I have visited in friends' houses have just the one switch.
It's also prudent to have it this way - the chances of not putting the exhaust on or leaving it on are minimized because most people do switch the light on/ off.
When we built our house, we put in a switch each for each function. It's purely a choice by the landlord/architect. Normally it shouldn't matter if the ventilation is controlled by one switch or two, but in this case, noise insulation was not taken into consideration or there is a malfunction with the ventilation. I'd be complaining too if it were overly loud.
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Old 24.01.2021, 14:54
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Could you not perhaps just use the light from the hallway... presumably you know where your bits are located. If not just use a night light, you can buy them in any baby shop or online. Just plug it into the razor outlet.

It’s easily solved and certainly not something to go to war with the neighbors over, although some seem to think otherwise for some reason.
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With neighbors like that, once you "fix" the fan, they'll complain about the noise from flushing.
Exactly, which is why I think Jim2007 is wrong.

No need to go to war. Just be firm and stand your ground (and speak to the landlord of your neighbour's concerns).

I don't know why Switzerland doesn't just ban inside toilets and put one instead at the end of the garden in a little hut. THat would remove the noise problem and surely that would be progress?

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Hi guys,

I just got some complaint from Neighbour and I would like to ask you that whether might I wrong or she was too serious.

At 12.15 am, in the WC, when you need to turn on the light, the Luftung will be also automatic on. And at the time, I need to use the room, the Luftung was on and made neighbor who is living above my apartment annoying. She told me that from 10pm on, there will be no any noise. I know that but I have no idea when using WC without turning on the light? From now on, it means I should not use WC after 10pm. Maybe the quality of avoiding the noise of the apartment is not so good ( I would say bad ). So I would like to ask you that whether might I wrong or she was too serious.

Is there anyone who experienced the same situation. Thank you if you could give me some good advice.

Have a nice day

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This could be for you. Comes in multi colours for that wow effect on the toilette. Otherwise dont worry about what your neighbour says. She has no rights here.

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s14/produc...bulbs-10064684
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Old 24.01.2021, 14:57
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This could be for you. Comes in multi colours for that wow effect on the toilette. Otherwise dont worry about what your neighbour says. She has no rights here.

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s14/produc...bulbs-10064684
Of course the neighbour has some rights. Stop giving rubbish advice.
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Old 24.01.2021, 15:04
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Exactly, which is why I think Jim2007 is wrong.

No need to go to war. Just be firm and stand your ground (and speak to the landlord of your neighbour's concerns).

I don't know why Switzerland doesn't just ban inside toilets and put one instead at the end of the garden in a little hut. THat would remove the noise problem and surely that would be progress?

We had one back in VT, but we had to clad it in steel as the porcupines liked to eat it!

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Some are, some aren't, unfortunately. There are built-in halogen lamps above the stove and under the cabinets to light the counter tops in our kitchen. I tried substituting an LED in one based on recommendations I read on EF, but it threw the breaker and destroyed the lamp. We had to order an entire new lamp assembly. The manufacturer said not every halogen can be replaced by LED but people try it all the time. Good businesss for them.
No. A fan is quiet enough to be able to use it permanently.

You pay rent and are therefore allowed to use your Apartment, including a fan.

This is definitely not a disturbance of the peace.
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Separate buttons can also be used and the ventilation button can be outfitted with a timer. I have this in my house.

If the ventilation causes a noise problem, then there needs to be an adjustment since there's obviously a construction error. It's easy for landlords to ignore these problems when they don't live in the flat. Both the tenant and the neighbour should complain to the landlord.
FFS, the next thing the neighbour will be complaining about is the OP blowing her nose at night. If I was the tenant and my lav had no window, I would also want a ventilator and it is irrelevant whether it is on the same switch or not. You do business...you need the fan, whether it is 12 noon or 12 midnight.

If the construction is that bad, it is NOT the OP's issue and she shouldn't have to take it up with the landlord. Let the neighbour complain by all means, but I am certain that she will get short shrift from the Verwaltung. She is just trying to intimidate the OP and that is simply out of order.
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Old 24.01.2021, 15:11
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We had one back in VT, but we had to clad it in steel as the porcupines liked to eat it!

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We had wild bores coming from woods to the city.

Beat that.

People have to call a special unit for thems pigs, can't do anything.
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Of course the neighbour has some rights. Stop giving rubbish advice.
Yes, she does, but probably not in this case. I imagine the building is not new and the neighbour has been living there a while. I wonder if she gave the previous tenant a hard time too and was sent packing.

It is a known fact that showering and using the loo after hours is not a cause for complaint. The urban myth that showering and using the loo after 10pm is not allowed has been debunked many times.

As I said, if the neighbour feels that aggrieved, she should take it up with the Verwaltung, not the OP (who can't do anything about it anyway).
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Could you not have a separate light? Maybe one of those stick on ones with batteries? Or have a light in the hallway plugged in nearby or one of those plug in light for children, or a torch even?

Mind you, I live in a single house with no near neighbours and I never put the light on when going to the loo at night- I know where it is and don't want to disturb OH.
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FFS, the next thing the neighbour will be complaining about is the OP blowing her nose at night. If I was the tenant and my lav had no window, I would also want a ventilator and it is irrelevant whether it is on the same switch or not. You do business...you need the fan, whether it is 12 noon or 12 midnight.

If the construction is that bad, it is NOT the OP's issue and she shouldn't have to take it up with the landlord. Let the neighbour complain by all means, but I am certain that she will get short shrift from the Verwaltung. She is just trying to intimidate the OP and that is simply out of order.
Yup this. As it was said, next time it will be another thing. To be harrassed by a person telling OP that "after 22.00 there will be no noise" and considering that the OP sounds very polite, looks like the issue has been there before OP moved in and the neighbor is trying her way. Let her talk her heart out to the regie and OP continue beeing a sweet neighbor. That said, our building is insanely noisy but we all do music and have kids and no issues.

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The fans in our apartment are on a timer and come on a few minutes after the lights. Enough time to use the toilet and wash hands before the fan kicks in.

The fans got noisier (and needed replacing) after a decade or so.

I realise that this is a whole other debate, if I need to pee at night, I do sit.

It feels more respectful and ‘on target’.
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