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Old 25.01.2021, 10:52
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

For me it all comes down to what is considered 'reasonable behaviour'.

If you were complaining because your neighbour didn't like you playing heavy metal music at 2 in the morning, I'd be with your neighbour. But going to the toilet after 10pm? That is clearly totally normal and reasonable behaviour. And it's also unreasonable IMO to expect you to use an extra light or make some other change to your routine.

If it's genuinely annoying your neighbour then there must be a design fault in the building or in the choice of ventilation devices. Or most likely, a design fault in your neighbour. Either way, it sounds like one for the landlord to sort out. And if they don't/can't, then frankly I'd continue to do what I'm doing. Again, it is totally reasonable, normal behaviour to want to use the bathroom at night, and I'd stick to my guns.
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Old 25.01.2021, 10:55
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The increase in sensitivity is for low frequencies, at higher frequencies where you would expect the noise from an extractor fan it is accepted that older people lose hearing acuity.
Extractor fans are mainly low frequency noise, unless yours squeaks.

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Hi guys,

I just got some complaint from Neighbour and I would like to ask you that whether might I wrong or she was too serious.

At 12.15 am, in the WC, when you need to turn on the light, the Luftung will be also automatic on. And at the time, I need to use the room, the Luftung was on and made neighbor who is living above my apartment annoying. She told me that from 10pm on, there will be no any noise. I know that but I have no idea when using WC without turning on the light? From now on, it means I should not use WC after 10pm. Maybe the quality of avoiding the noise of the apartment is not so good ( I would say bad ). So I would like to ask you that whether might I wrong or she was too serious.

Is there anyone who experienced the same situation. Thank you if you could give me some good advice.

Have a nice day

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I would simply not care.

One of my neighbors in a 8 flat building came knocking the door of all flats for whatever reason. One day I opened my door and there was the crazy neighbor yelling something about "rules and read you contract". I contacted the landlord to notify about a neighbor with mental health problems. It was a pleasure to find landlords are intelligent enough to detect cases of hypersensitivity and put them in a ignore list.

I would just wait for a letter from the landlord telling you cannot use the toilet after 22h00. I bet it will never arrive
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Is there anyone who experienced the same situation. Thank you if you could give me some good advice.
In my experience every WC has a door. Tell her to make good use of it and pull it shut each time she leaves the room. This should provide more than necessary sound insulation; if that's not enough it's an issue for the regie/landlord. Ok, she might be able to the insulation by adding some filler strip between door and doorframe if useful, but that as well is hers to do, not yours OP.

Assuming she's not a nutcase, of course, in which case this may well be the start of a neverending sequence of moronic requests unless you tell her to stuff it, which you should do in no uncertain terms.
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I don't. nor do I turn on the light

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Don't you mean: Provide a link because I can't find one myself?

For new dwellings (in the U.K.)The regulations do not explicitly state that the fan must turn on when the light switch is turned on

No further questions.
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The fan noise is likely transmitted though the building structure and can cause resonation which can be unpleasant. I find all the "f_orget you lady" responses unbelievable. I hope you have similar issues at some time and get the same answer.
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Old 25.01.2021, 13:15
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No further questions.
That's the way it is done - within the confines of the law.

Having a separate on/off switch is not allowed.

Not sure what point you were trying to make here?

Oh, this is it:

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The fan noise is likely transmitted though the building structure and can cause resonation which can be unpleasant. I find all the "f_orget you lady" responses unbelievable. I hope you have similar issues at some time and get the same answer.
Get real. How do you know it's resonating throughout the building?

Most of these fans are around 35dB, at the source. As a comparison, 40dB is the sound of a library. 20dB is someone whispering.
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The fan noise is likely transmitted though the building structure and can cause resonation which can be unpleasant. I find all the "f_orget you lady" responses unbelievable. I hope you have similar issues at some time and get the same answer.
Don't you understand that you really cross a line if you ask someone not to use a toilet?
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I think it is important to be considerate of neighbors, but at the end of the day - we all live in the same building and have to expect that we will hear them now and then. If you want complete and total silence, then well ... does that exist anywhere?
I dream of it. I think a lot of teachers do.

Maybe OP's neighbor works in a really noisy large school. Or three.

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Old 25.01.2021, 13:29
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The fan noise is likely transmitted though the building structure and can cause resonation which can be unpleasant. I find all the "f_orget you lady" responses unbelievable. I hope you have similar issues at some time and get the same answer.
I jumped in the boat of assuming OP is a tenant and not the owner of the flat. I think it's not a crazy assumption since old rental flats are known to have poor noise isolation and noisy plumbing. Of course, it would be nicer if OP clarified this point. Otherwise, conditions of the building that annoy other tenants are 100% liability of the landlord.
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I don't know what the neighbour said exactly, but I would think it perfectly reasonable, if someone was disturbed by the fan, to mention it and ask nicely if there was possibly some way in which the fan couldn't be used at those times. I'd also think it neighbourly for the OP to go some way to finding a solution by either using an alternative light source, like a sensor light, or asking the landlord to resolve the problem.
If the fan filter is blocked with dust then it should be cleaned by the tenant. And in the event that it is clean then the landlord has to take action. So the OP has to either say this to the neighbour or contact the landlord himself if he wants. And no looking for lights and things like that. Its the landlords responsibility-finish
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…when renting is a must to have an fan isolation switch as to comply with regulation, or to install attenuator that reduce noise to 36dB...
…when you go to pee after 10PM just switch the isolator...
Exactly as it is at our flat in UK- when we go to bed, we switch the fan off - and switch on again when we get up. Simple. But if this is not possible- what on earth is wrong with getting an alternative source of light to go to WC at night- to avoid switch coming on if it upsets your neighbour. Not that difficult, surely to avoid conflict and keep the peace. Keep you energy for issues which are more difficult to solve.
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Old 25.01.2021, 13:51
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Exactly as it is at our flat in UK- when we go to bed, we switch the fan off - and switch on again when we get up. Simple. But if this is not possible- what on earth is wrong with getting an alternative source of light to go to WC at night- to avoid switch coming on if it upsets your neighbour. Not that difficult, surely.
I'm waiting for one of you to suggest that the OP wears adult incontinence pants just in case they have a desire to pass water in the night.

If I didn't think the OP was a troll (one post with contentious issue and then no more), I'd offer to buy a sound meter and visit the apartment of the neighbour and take some sound level readings. There's nothing like a bit of objectivity to sort things out.
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Old 25.01.2021, 14:03
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Exactly as it is at our flat in UK- when we go to bed, we switch the fan off - and switch on again when we get up. Simple. But if this is not possible- what on earth is wrong with getting an alternative source of light to go to WC at night- to avoid switch coming on if it upsets your neighbour. Not that difficult, surely to avoid conflict and keep the peace. Keep you energy for issues which are more difficult to solve.
You have good insights of Swiss culture. So, please explain us where the motivation to please the neighbor comes from?

I made the following reasoning. There are modern buildings with perfect noise insulation where things like this are not a problem. Living in an old noisy building is either a personal choice (love the place) or lack of resources to move to a better place. So, why put the responsibility on the neighbor ? In the first case is expecting high life quality from poor quality building, simply not possible. The second case is just learn to live within your means and don't expect luxury flat conditions from cheap rent. But.....that's me, I'm truly curious at how the request from the neighbor is reasonable.

PS. elder people have told me stories that not so long ago cheaper rent flat buildings or old houses converted to flats had no toilets or showers in every flat. It was a bit like gym, all toilets and showers in the same room, either in the first floor (street level) or 1 level below ground. Not sure if elder people prefers to walk 3 floors down in the night instead of suffering unpleasant noise levels.
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makes no difference whether in Switzerland or anywhere- choosing to avoid confrontation and unpleasantness, even if you think their pov is a bit silly- and especially if the solution is so so simple- just makes sense.

In this case, the solution is so easy- why not? Sometimes, it is more complicated- and confrontation of some sort maybe un-avoidable. Keep you energy for that. Problem perceived by someone- solution easy- sorted. Simple. Life's too short.

When I was a kid, many blocks of flats had toilets on the half floor- eg half way between floors- so 4 apartments, often with large families with 5-12 kids, sleeping head to toe- would share 2 toilets. Flushing was always noisy as it was done by turning a tap- No bathrooms of course.
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Don't you understand that you really cross a line if you ask someone not to use a toilet?

I'm sure I understand it more than you've understood the original post.
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makes no difference whether in Switzerland or anywhere- choosing to avoid confrontation and unpleasantness, even if you think their pov is a bit silly- and especially if the solution is so so simple- just makes sense.

In this case, the solution is so easy- why not? Sometimes, it is more complicated- and confrontation of some sort maybe un-avoidable. Keep you energy for that. Problem perceived by someone- solution easy- sorted. Simple. Life's too short.

When I was a kid, many blocks of flats had toilets on the half floor- eg half way between floors- so 4 apartments, often with large families with 5-12 kids, sleeping head to toe- would share 2 toilets. Flushing was always noisy as it was done by turning a tap- No bathrooms of course.
I see your point. Indeed, I use a small led light to avoid turning the room light on and disturbing my wife's sleep....but when I get the toilet I turn the room light on.

Maybe I'm biased to not caring because all the interactions with neighbors have been with condescension, yelling and vague reminders of the contract to the filthy auslander. So, I'm no saint and I can't help myself but replying if I'm really not being considerate to all neighbors and therefore breaching the contract, contact the landlord and the landlord will send me a reminder in a letter that's much more pleasant and kinder than you, dear neighbor. That letter only arrived once and we really earned it: noisy drunken student party. No more letters like that since then. Ignoring complains judged as irrational has been and easier solution for me since then, minimal energy used, but let's celebrate the differences in thinking and acknowledge you have the patience of a saint.
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For me it all comes down to what is considered 'reasonable behaviour'.

If you were complaining because your neighbour didn't like you playing heavy metal music at 2 in the morning, I'd be with your neighbour. But going to the toilet after 10pm? That is clearly totally normal and reasonable behaviour. And it's also unreasonable IMO to expect you to use an extra light or make some other change to your routine.

If it's genuinely annoying your neighbour then there must be a design fault in the building or in the choice of ventilation devices. Or most likely, a design fault in your neighbour. Either way, it sounds like one for the landlord to sort out. And if they don't/can't, then frankly I'd continue to do what I'm doing. Again, it is totally reasonable, normal behaviour to want to use the bathroom at night, and I'd stick to my guns.
I am totally with you. But some people have a very, very low tolerance to noise and have different thoughts on what "reasonable behavior" means...

I experienced this when I had a sleep-over at my friend's house (this was in the Netherlands) when I was about 9-10 years old. The mother told me that after everyone's gone to bed, NOT to flush the toilet because the noise would disturb them. I asked what to do if I need to go and she told me "just leave it, no big deal, it can be flushed in the morning" I remember feeling extremely uncomfortable leaving the bathroom unflushed...although it was "just a pee".
And in case you are wondering, this was a very well to do family, lived in a beautiful big house so it's not like it was some small crummy house with thin walls...
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Thanks for the laugh...

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