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Thanks for the laugh...

I think this thread is good evidence on how bored we all are these days. A simple question turned into 5 pages.
You have an odd way of counting, it's three only
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Old 25.01.2021, 15:20
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makes no difference whether in Switzerland or anywhere- choosing to avoid confrontation and unpleasantness, even if you think their pov is a bit silly- and especially if the solution is so so simple- just makes sense.

In this case, the solution is so easy- why not? Sometimes, it is more complicated- and confrontation of some sort maybe un-avoidable. Keep you energy for that. Problem perceived by someone- solution easy- sorted. Simple. Life's too short.
Have you ever seen one of those horror films where the neighbour starts of pleasant, and then makes a few minor requests - which of course you comply with to keep on neighborly terms.
Then the requests get more and more weird. Then you stop complying.
Then she drugs you, ties you to a bed and saws your legs off.

(I may have intentionally got my films mixed up here).

We had a neighbour here that was half-way there (I hasten to add that she wasn't Swiss).

I'm going to write this one more time: In this day and age, it is not unreasonable to get up in the night, turn on the light and use the WC.

It's unreasonable to ask a neighbour not to do that.
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Old 25.01.2021, 15:21
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

Ah lol, it only turns to 5 pages because some don't agree with my solution ahahaha.

Having said that, I lived in single detached houses all my life bar a few years in London.

Again, if the problem has no easy solution - fight it. If with a tiny bit of empathy and a very simple solution, you can avoid confrontation- why not?
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Old 25.01.2021, 15:27
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Again, if the problem has no easy solution - fight it. If with a tiny bit of empathy and a very simple solution, you can avoid confrontation- why not?
Quite simply because the people who make these unreasonable requests do not stop there. Give in once and the next demand will be worse.
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Quite simply because the people who make these unreasonable requests do not stop there. Give in once and the next demand will be worse.
Yes, very important to set boundaries in cohabitation.
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Regulations change, people learn.

For example, the Swiss habit of airing your house, which gets described here with much regularity, and involved opening all the windows for twenty minutes or so, whilst being effective, is incredibly wasteful of energy and probably accounts for 30% of a day's heating energy requirements.

More modern, minergie houses have better solutions.



That's probably the crux of the problem - get the fan fixed. It may have worn bearings or not be fixed securely to the wall.
Most of which leading to extremely low air humidity
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Old 25.01.2021, 16:33
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Quite simply because the people who make these unreasonable requests do not stop there. Give in once and the next demand will be worse.
I get your point. Perso, I think it is the other way round- if you show willing to solve minor problems with simple solution- then when there is a real issue, you can say- 'I have shown to be always reasonable, but this time- it is not possible.' and this especially when the solution is so so simple. Go to the loo, switch a light, just make sure you don't switch the noisy fan on, one way, or another. We can agree to disagree !

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Old 25.01.2021, 16:34
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Most of which leading to extremely low air humidity
There's pretty low humidity here in the winter anyway.

But, as I'm sure you know - the whole point of the automatic fan operation, without user intervention, is to prevent high humidity, the condensation this creates and ultimately mould which is very hazardous to health (much more so than being occasionally awaken from a deep slumber by an owl hooting or someone cycling past whilst blowing their nose).

I guess there's some middle ground between minergie low humidity and black mould creeping up the walls and ceiling (another popular EF topic).
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Hi guys,

I just got some complaint from Neighbour and I would like to ask you that whether might I wrong or she was too serious.

At 12.15 am, in the WC, when you need to turn on the light, the Luftung will be also automatic on. And at the time, I need to use the room, the Luftung was on and made neighbor who is living above my apartment annoying. She told me that from 10pm on, there will be no any noise. I know that but I have no idea when using WC without turning on the light? From now on, it means I should not use WC after 10pm. Maybe the quality of avoiding the noise of the apartment is not so good ( I would say bad ). So I would like to ask you that whether might I wrong or she was too serious.

Is there anyone who experienced the same situation. Thank you if you could give me some good advice.

Have a nice day

Best regards,
Well you are most likely not Swiss born. Asian maybe? If you were Swiss born ( I mean really Swiss ) then in all probability your neighbour would NEVER had spoken to you about this.
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Old 25.01.2021, 16:49
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

Just install a second light in the bathroom not connected to the fan... then you can remove the original bulb and leave then fan on 24/7
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Old 25.01.2021, 19:46
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I get your point. Perso, I think it is the other way round- if you show willing to solve minor problems with simple solution- then when there is a real issue, you can say- 'I have shown to be always reasonable, but this time- it is not possible.' and this especially when the solution is so so simple. Go to the loo, switch a light, just make sure you don't switch the noisy fan on, one way, or another. We can agree to disagree !
Out of politeness, I would try to listen to this neighbour patiently and agree to search for a solution, but wouldn't make any promise I cannot keep. If they still insist even after they're told I can't do anything about it, then I'd just let him "alert" the landlord and see for himself how far he'll go.
I agree with not getting into conflicts unnecessarily, but if there's no other way so be it. Wouldn't do anything of course, just interrupt any communication.
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Well you are most likely not Swiss born. Asian maybe? If you were Swiss born ( I mean really Swiss ) then in all probability your neighbour would NEVER had spoken to you about this.
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Out of politeness, I would try to listen to this neighbour patiently and agree to search for a solution, but wouldn't make any promise I cannot keep. If they still insist even after they're told I can't do anything about it, then I'd just let him "alert" the landlord and see for himself how far he'll go.
I agree with not getting into conflicts unnecessarily, but if there's no other way so be it. Wouldn't do anything of course, just interrupt any communication.
Totally agree- in this case however, there is a very simple solution- so why not. Either switch fan off at night if there is a switch- or use a stick on led light, etc- to avoid switch coming on. Easy peasy.
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Old 25.01.2021, 21:14
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

Meh, I use the toilet without turning on the light. I mean, especially if you're sitting on it, how on Earth can you miss?
Of course, it's a challenge aiming in the dark if you're standing ... acoustic cues are essential in this case, but even without them the target's directly in front of you and unmoving.
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I am totally with you. But some people have a very, very low tolerance to noise and have different thoughts on what "reasonable behavior" means...

I experienced this when I had a sleep-over at my friend's house (this was in the Netherlands) when I was about 9-10 years old. The mother told me that after everyone's gone to bed, NOT to flush the toilet because the noise would disturb them. I asked what to do if I need to go and she told me "just leave it, no big deal, it can be flushed in the morning" I remember feeling extremely uncomfortable leaving the bathroom unflushed...although it was "just a pee".
And in case you are wondering, this was a very well to do family, lived in a beautiful big house so it's not like it was some small crummy house with thin walls...
It's probably OK to ask a 9 year old to do that, but not an adult who isn't part of the family IMO. When my wife, or someone else in the household, has been ill and having trouble sleeping we've agreed not to flush the loo after a certain time to help her sleep. But the OP's situation seems quite different from this.

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Totally agree- in this case however, there is a very simple solution- so why not. Either switch fan off at night if there is a switch- or use a stick on led light, etc- to avoid switch coming on. Easy peasy.
The question is why should this be necessary? As I said earlier, if the fan is so noisy as to disturb someone in another apartment, there must be a problem with the fan or the building, and therefore the landlord should deal with it. If that means the landlord installing a different fan or allowing it to be disabled, and operated separate from the light, then fair enough. But ultimately the question has to be: is it reasonable to expect to be able to use your own bathroom in your own apartment after 10pm? I say that it is absolutely reasonable.
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The question is why should this be necessary? As I said earlier, if the fan is so noisy as to disturb someone in another apartment, there must be a problem with the fan or the building, and therefore the landlord should deal with it. If that means the landlord installing a different fan or allowing it to be disabled, and operated separate from the light, then fair enough. But ultimately the question has to be: is it reasonable to expect to be able to use your own bathroom in your own apartment after 10pm? I say that it is absolutely reasonable.
Difficult question....love thy neighbour and all that.
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Old 25.01.2021, 22:36
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Quite simply because the people who make these unreasonable requests do not stop there. Give in once and the next demand will be worse.
That's not necessarily always true, though. For example, the people who use to live above us would always slide their heavy wardrobe door open every morning at 4:30 am, just above my bed. It woke me up every morning at that time and I would have trouble falling back asleep. It wasn't until the resulting, constant sleep deprivation really began to take a toll on me and my life that I said something to them about it, nicely. I never had any complaints about them or requests other than that. I think they just weren't aware of how loud that sound is for the person sleeping below them. A lot of people aren't really aware of their noise and how it affects others.
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Old 25.01.2021, 22:44
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

Of course it is, this was never ever in question here ''But ultimately the question has to be: is it reasonable to expect to be able to use your own bathroom in your own apartment after 10pm? I say that it is absolutely reasonable. ''

just about the fan coming on or not.
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Old 25.01.2021, 23:02
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Perhaps OP could purchase a chamber pot. Each morning wait for the neighbour to pass below his window...and empty the pot out with a hearty “gardy-loo!”.
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Re: Complaint from above neighbor. Please HELP!

Fun fact and sorry if it‘s been mentioned, didn‘t read all the gory details: In the last millennium, Swiss Hausordnungen not infrequently demanded silence after 10pm. This sometimes explicitly included flushing toilets. If your neighbour is an old lady and if your flat previously belonged to another conservative senior citizen, then she may well believe her request is normal and reasonable. I‘d look up your own specific Hausordnung. Haven‘t seen the toilet paragraph in many years.
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