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Old 03.02.2021, 22:26
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Electricity used to do Major maintenance in my apartment

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I want a consultation as I had an issue in my bath tub that was leaking water to the neighbors. It has been a chronic issue last two years and they were doing minor fixes but finally they decided to do major repair.

Part of this treatment was to install a good sized dryer box in my bathroom to dry the water under my bath tub. This dryer was not only noisy but it was operating 7 days a week / 24 hours and I assume it consumed heaps amount of electricity as dryers normally do. I had to sleep few nights at GF apartment due to noise and bath room not comfortable to use.

Am I entitled to ask the landlord for money compensation on the electricity consumed for operating this machine?

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Re: Electricity used to do Major maintenance in my apartment

The maximum power the dryer could take from a normal power outlet is 2.2 kW. At 20 ct/kWh (which is a typical average cost of electricity in Switzerland), that's 44 ct/hr or about 10.50 CHF per day.
I doubt the dryer was taking 2.2 kW 24/7 as most power outlets get very hot if you do so, so those numbers are really maximum values and the reality is probably nearer half that.
Are you sure the dryer worked by heating and was not a dehumidifier? The numbers would be significantly less in that case.
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Re: Electricity used to do Major maintenance in my apartment

2kw 24/7 would also have heated your bath like a sauna!

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2kw 24/7 would also have heated your bath like a sauna!

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I suspect it was a dehumidifier using 300-400W, so about 2 chf a day in power.
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The maximum power the dryer could take from a normal power outlet is 2.2 kW. At 20 ct/kWh (which is a typical average cost of electricity in Switzerland), that's 44 ct/hr or about 10.50 CHF per day.
I doubt the dryer was taking 2.2 kW 24/7 as most power outlets get very hot if you do so, so those numbers are really maximum values and the reality is probably nearer half that.
Are you sure the dryer worked by heating and was not a dehumidifier? The numbers would be significantly less in that case.
Why only 2.2 KW ?

CH domestic electrical circuits are normally 13A/16A rated and that with 230V-240V (yes, not 220V) is 3.0KW / 3.8KW.

Usually for drying infrared + dehumidifier is used ...
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Why only 2.2 KW ?
Because that is what is available in the bathroom.

I have a spare 16A/3P in the kitchen that I have set up as 3x 1P, but most people don't.

And Switzerland has been 220V for decades.

Also, its 10A/16A, NOT 13A/16A (and yes, I just check my breakers, 3x10A, 6x16A).

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Also, its 10A/16A, NOT 13A/16A (and yes, I just check my breakers, 3x10A, 6x16A).

Tom
yeah its only 10amp from a normal socket. this can be on a 10a breaker or a 13a breaker but the individual socket is only rated for 10a. slightly confusing.

in contrast a 16a break must have a 16a socket on it and a 16a socket must be on a 16a breaker.
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Re: Electricity used to do Major maintenance in my apartment

Sounds like a dehumidifier, probably the industrial type used on construction sites. They can be noisy but was the door closed or were you told it had to stay open?

Did you ask the owner/property manager before the work was carried out how long the bathroom would be out of use? It sounds like only bathing was affected, but it is unclear.

You could be entitled to a rent reduction for that period, or simply have negotiated that they pay for you to stay elsewhere. The point is you needed to discuss this up front. As you admit you had elsewhere to stay, you don't have receipts to show costs for a hotel, for example.

How many days was the dehumidifier in place? Did someone come back to check on the progress of the drying?

As for the electricity costs, there would be some additional costs, and again, you should have asked up front who was going to cover this.

Bottom line, many tenants are made to feel that they should be grateful a problem was fixed, regardless of the inconvenience which is why before the work is started a tenant should get all the facts and see if there is anything to negotiate.
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Re: Electricity used to do Major maintenance in my apartment

I doubt you will get anywhere with electricity costs, but you may be able to get a rent reduction for loss of use of the bathroom.
I had a very similar experience the first time I moved to Switzerland, our rental had a serious water leak inside the wall (pipes feeding the tap had a joint leak).
To fix it they had to take down the wall and re-pipe the shower. It took about 6 weeks all told to dry out and repair. Apparently there is a formula to calculate loss of use of part of what you rented, they took the number of square metres we were paying for and reduced the rent for the six weeks based on what square meterage we could not access due to the ongoing repair work - small place so actually a percentage worth having!
A most positive introduction to Switzerland as it was our (private) landlord who suggested this. As newbies back then we didn't even think to ask.
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Re: Electricity used to do Major maintenance in my apartment

When we had a leak from our dishwasher and the water escaped and went under the tiles, an industrial heater was used to force hot air under the tiles.

The company involved carefully monitored the time the units were on so they could bill the insurance company for the electricity costs as they apparently were not insubstantial.

To the OP: Of course you shouldn't pay for the electricity.

In a country where people see fit to invoice for absolutely every email, phone call, letter, driving cost and so on, it's only right that you be treated in exactly the same manner.

I'm sure your landlord wouldn't want it any other way.
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Re: Electricity used to do Major maintenance in my apartment

Along with dehumidifiers, they use a dryer (small machine which just blows hot air into the wet part of wall etcs) -.it was.used in my apartment after fixing a leakage from water meter. I'm not sure the quantity of electricity consumption but at the end of the year, I saw my bill was reasonable (dried nearly 4 weeks- average 8hrs a day) - 2 dehumidifiers and 2 dryers were used, so it would have added maximum 30-50CHF extra to the bill.
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