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Old 09.02.2021, 16:00
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Tried to see my doctor last week as I was not well.
So he does not want to see patients unless you have a negative test!!
This is new🙈
So I did the test(negative) but now I’m better and don’t need to see him anymore..
My GP has the same rule in place, makes sense to me. You can book regular appointments no problem (e.g. I recently needed a checkup and a prescription renewal for a long-term health problem), but if you are feeling unwell you need a negative COVID test to ensure you aren't going to be bringing corona into their doctor's practice. The negative test result isn't requested of all patients, only those with fever, runny nose, sore throat, etc.
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Old 09.02.2021, 16:32
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I'm not sure of the rules here, but since all Swiss waste is incinerated why can't it be disposed of in the normal rubbish?
It should go in a special incinerator (Sondermüllverbrennungsanlage).

As usual in Switzerland you can return such problematic waste at the point of sale.

"Expired and unused drugs from households can be handed in at pharmacies or collection points."
https://www.bafu.admin.ch/bafu/en/ho...cal-waste.html

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Tried to return old medication to my local pharmacie today....
Was flat out refused
Where you clear that you want to dispose the medication?
May be print this out and if they still refuse get a written statement which you can forward to the appropriate authority
https://www.bafu.admin.ch/bafu/fr/ho...-medicaux.html
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It should go in a special incinerator (Sondermüllverbrennungsanlage).

As usual in Switzerland you can return such problematic waste at the point of sale.

"Expired and unused drugs from households can be handed in at pharmacies or collection points."
https://www.bafu.admin.ch/bafu/en/ho...cal-waste.html


Where you clear that you want to dispose the medication?
May be print this out and if they still refuse get a written statement which you can forward to the appropriate authority
https://www.bafu.admin.ch/bafu/fr/ho...-medicaux.html
Very clear!

I wrote an email to the headoffice of the chain. They have responded with an apology and contacted the pharmacist.

In the meantime I was able to dispose of it at another pharmacy without any hassle.
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Old 12.02.2021, 13:04
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The negative test result isn't requested of all patients, only those with fever, runny nose, sore throat, etc.
My wife was told to get tested for COVID, when simply called a doctor to ask for some pills to treat a headache. Her ONLY complaint was a headache.
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Old 12.02.2021, 13:16
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Tried to see my doctor last week as I was not well.
So he does not want to see patients unless you have a negative test!!
This is new🙈
So I did the test(negative) but now I’m better and don’t need to see him anymore..
I suppose it's about keep other patients safe from the virus. I know too many people who have become infected through hospitals or doctor's visits.
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Re: Worst Corona excuse

I hope they never re-sell those returned drugs, but the rant here was about not respecting the return-for-disposal rights

Interesting, so in case you never used the drugs it's better to brake the packaging to make them clear about your intent (?!)

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They take them at the Sun Store pharmacy here too but without the boxes.

The assistant explained to me once that they can’t be reused because they can’t be sure that the have been stored correctly and there is always a risk (albeit small) that they’ve been tampered with.
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Old 12.02.2021, 14:22
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I hope they never re-sell those returned drugs, but the rant here was about not respecting the return-for-disposal rights

Interesting, so in case you never used the drugs it's better to brake the packaging to make them clear about your intent (?!)
you are raising an interesting (and sad) point. To address your point, no, pharmacies will not sell any product that has expiry date <6 months.

but you are raising a second point here --
Switzerland has a huge amount of medical products... that go unused (you can blame a lot of things here, let's blame the system). All types - FS, OTC, RX. A good share of these products have a BBE -- not really an 'expiry date'. By destroying the secondary packaging (box), and/or de-blistering them, the only thing that you are making sure is that they get destroyed easier. My reading of the legislation, is that pharmacies will accept the expired (or expiring) products and then send them for 'disposal'

In other countries, pharmacies retrieve the products, and classify them.
Those which are not expired, or have BBE (but not expiry date), are re-channeled towards charitable organizations with medical services, to be used, when possible.
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Old 12.02.2021, 14:47
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All types - FS, OTC, RX. A good share of these products have a BBE -- not really an 'expiry date'.
As far as I am aware drugs always have an expiry date and not a best before date. See also: https://biblio.parlament.ch/e-docs/351888.pdf
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Re: Worst Corona excuse

The expiry date on medications is a bit of a farce. When seeking approval for medicines the manufacturers are required to do testing to determine the shelf life for the product. So something with a one year expiry requires that it be stored for a year, then tested to ensure it is still effective.

They are never required to retest it after two, three, four, or forty years.

So the answer to the question "How long is this stuff good for" is "I have absolutely no idea, but it says one year on the box.

Any product still under patent protection should be required to retest every year until it's effectiveness drops more than 10%
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I hope they never re-sell those returned drugs, but the rant here was about not respecting the return-for-disposal rights

Interesting, so in case you never used the drugs it's better to brake the packaging to make them clear about your intent (?!)
My reply was in response to Bowlie, not the OP

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The expiry date on medications is a bit of a farce. When seeking approval for medicines the manufacturers are required to do testing to determine the shelf life for the product. So something with a one year expiry requires that it be stored for a year, then tested to ensure it is still effective.

They are never required to retest it after two, three, four, or forty years.

So the answer to the question "How long is this stuff good for" is "I have absolutely no idea, but it says one year on the box.

Any product still under patent protection should be required to retest every year until it's effectiveness drops more than 10%
It is a bit more complex than that when determining the shelf life of medicines.
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It is a bit more complex than that when determining the shelf life of medicines.
Quite so. In fact most drugs will be perfectly good for many years if they're stored properly. Some may suffer if they're allowed to get very hot, but mostly the only thing that will degrade would be the packaging, especially for bubble-pack tablets, or the coating if you've got loose tablets in a bottle, which is almost unheard-of for modern prescription meds.

Obviously you need to check if they have special storage requirements, and if they do then it may be reasonable to imagine that they're more likely to lose efficacy over time, and of course if you're using them for something life-critical then it would be foolish to rely on them, but would probably be OK as an interim if you're waiting for a new prescription or something.
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Old 12.02.2021, 16:37
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you are raising an interesting (and sad) point. To address your point, no, pharmacies will not sell any product that has expiry date <6 months.
They prepare stuff á la carte that is fresh and with a short expiry date. So, some of their products they sell defo have <6mo exp. date.
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It is a bit more complex than that when determining the shelf life of medicines.
I suggest that one interested in the topic but not so versed in German just put this https://biblio.parlament.ch/e-docs/351888.pdf here through that www.deepl.com (May have to be done piece by piece). One might learn that Swiss Medic in some cases even has to reduce the Exp. period as some drugs are not as stable as initially thought. In addition a 10% can be too much in case of drugs where just the right amount can be very important. Also the exp. period is capped at a max of 5 years.
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I hope they never re-sell those returned drugs, but the rant here was about not respecting the return-for-disposal rights

Interesting, so in case you never used the drugs it's better to brake the packaging to make them clear about your intent (?!)
This is odd. A friend of my OH used to work in a pharmacy and she says most drugs and pills can just be chucked in the normal waste where they pose no risk whatsoever. There are only a small number that have to go in the special waste (which is much more costly to dispose of) and the pharmacy staff will sort those accordingly.

Removing the packaging would remove any easy means to identify the content, and thus remove the means to sort them.

So either different pharmacies have different policies, or policies have changed since her day.
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I'm not sure of the rules here, but since all Swiss waste is incinerated why can't it be disposed of in the normal rubbish?

It's not like countries which use landfill where they don't want medicines leeching out (particularly antibiotics).
Old thread, was looking for a place to place something else .... came across this post.
Medication can be put in the normal rubbish. It's atcually THE place to put it (not.down.the.toilet.).

I once returned medication to a doctor and he threw it straight in the trash bin. My GP also told me "you can bring it if you want but we'll throw it in the trash bin".

Medicaments can't be recycled, LOL, they need to be burnt. And professionally of course, not while firing up the grill. So yes, to that normal trash it goes.
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Re: Worst Corona excuse

Actually, the right place to throw away pills and such is the pharmacy.

https://recycling-map.ch/en/collecte...-chimiques--20

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Old medication can be returned free of charge to any pharmacy. Do not dispose of in general rubbish or down the toilet. Hazardous waste must be well sealed. Many municipalities organize hazardous waste collections --> waste calendar.



Pharmacies, as other members posted, will ask you to remove the box though.
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Medicaments can't be recycled, LOL, they need to be burnt. And professionally of course, not while firing up the grill.
Oh but the aromatic smell!

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...Trusted friends of that doctor collect their left-over medication and medical materials for a personal inspection, and the doctor sorts them into what they should really just throw away, what they may as well keep in their cabinet, and whatever is suitable to be taken with to the next disaster zone. ...
I discussed this kind of thing with my brother-in-law. He's a hospital pharmacist and was horrified!
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Even before the pandemic, I was prescribed too much medication and tried to return it in new and unopened condition and was told no.

I am just keeping it now as it doesn't expire and who knows, one day it may come in useful.
I returned once Tossamin to a pharmacy without problem. A year later I found out it is sold only with the proof of doc's prescription. Since then, I have opted only for teas and ginger. And proactively citrus juice and fruits.
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Re: Worst Corona excuse

A few years back my diabetaloge changed my basal (long duration) Insulin. I had just restocked so I had four unopened boxes of five pens of the old stuff with an expiry date well into the future.

She asked me if I had preserved the cold chain, which I had, so told me to bring it in and she would put it into her fridge. She said she knew of a number of patients that were struggling with the cost of insulin and she would ensure it got put to good use.

But don’t tell anyone, it isn’t suppose to happen.

No one should be deprived of Insulin just because they can’t afford it.
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But don’t tell anyone, it isn’t suppose to happen.

No one should be deprived of Insulin just because they can’t afford it.
Back home is payed by the state health insurance funds (everything, not just Insulin), so everyone has access to it. We're poor, but not that poor apparently.
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