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Rant: ZTL in Italy

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as last year, due to corona, I could not make holidays overseas, we went couple of time to Italy - by car.

What we did not know about are the so called ZTL zones: Zona a Traffico Limitato

Unfortunately, fines arrive with quite a delay, so we kept driving into city centers, and have accumulated 3 fines so far. I fear more to arrive by post as time passes.

Has anyone else fallen into this tourst trap?

I know I should have known and all that. However, in Italy there are literally hundreds of signs in each intersection and these signs are easy to miss, in particular when you just other cars into the city center.

Also: does anyone know of a way to get a permit, similar to the Umweltplakette in Germany?
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Old 01.04.2021, 11:23
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Re: Rant: ZTL in Italy

It's not a tourist trap, and are nothing new, they've been around for decades.

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Old 01.04.2021, 11:28
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Re: Rant: ZTL in Italy

And not only Italy, all around Europe. Check this site before visiting a new city https://www.urbanaccessregulations.eu/
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And not only Italy, all around Europe. Check this site before visiting a new city https://www.urbanaccessregulations.eu/
it is not a trap, it is to stop fools driving round when people are seriously ill
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it is not a trap, it is to stop fools driving round when people are seriously ill
hahahaha, nothing related to covid. This is about making city centers more livable. This is about giving residents priority above tourists. So, only access to residents, delivery vehicles, buses and taxis.
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It's not a tourist trap, and are nothing new, they've been around for decades.

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Was going to write the exact same. Not a tourist trap, just catches anyone who does not read signs and come on, this is quite common now in a lot of big cities that one cannot drive in the city center.

Chalk it up to experience and pay.
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Old 01.04.2021, 11:40
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It's not a tourist trap, and are nothing new, they've been around for decades.

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And afaIk, the locals need to have those stickers as well?
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Re: Rant: ZTL in Italy

Hm, last year I was following a navigation and an Italian car into the historical center of Merano searching for my hotel and misinterpreted the allowed hours to drive there. I needed few hundred meters that things clicked right in my head, and when I turned my motorcycle around, it was already too late. Few months later I got a fine of ca 80 euros.
- it was my mistake
- comparing to Swiss fines I find that one low
IMHO, dense centers are usually better without too much traffic, so ZTL is a right thing to do. Maybe Italians could go for some other system (physical barrier) but it would be just more expensive and uglier. I guess it is on us, to change our behavior.
btw. Do you know, that success of humans is because of our ability to adapt to different environments. Challenging your brain to adapt to different cultures is actually really good for continual development, so, take it positive your brain will adapt to this Italian old "novelty", if you keep going there. And I think it is worth.
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Hm, last year I was following a navigation and an Italian car into the historical center of Merano searching for my hotel and misinterpreted the allowed hours to drive there. I needed few hundred meters that things clicked right in my head, and when I turned my motorcycle around, it was already too late. Few months later I got a fine of ca 80 euros.
Same here, but I was in Livigno

Off topic: very nice place, great food and extremely low fuel prices
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Same here, but I was in Livigno

Off topic: very nice place, great food and extremely low fuel prices
So you can burn it all up with abandon on the ice drome
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It's not a tourist trap, and are nothing new, they've been around for decades.

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Really, How the hell did I not know about that.

Well, lesson learned - the expensive way, but hey. My mistake
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Re: Rant: ZTL in Italy

Officially since 1989, un-officially since 1984: http://transportchoice.org/wp-conten...le-Dec2016.pdf

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Really, How the hell did I not know about that.

Well, lesson learned - the expensive way, but hey. My mistake
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Officially since 1989, un-officially since 1984: http://transportchoice.org/wp-conten...le-Dec2016.pdf

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Wrong perspective, EPMike. What a lucky guy you are!!

edit: Seems strange to me though. Drove to Italy a lot in 96 and knew nothing about this and was not fined either.
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Re: Rant: ZTL in Italy

Do you guys know how to register a hybrid vehicle (with swiss plates) for the zones which are based on emission rating?

All I found was a separate one for each city- which is quite a hassle
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Rant alert - no purpose other then venting.

as last year, due to corona, I could not make holidays overseas, we went couple of time to Italy - by car.

What we did not know about are the so called ZTL zones: Zona a Traffico Limitato

Unfortunately, fines arrive with quite a delay, so we kept driving into city centers, and have accumulated 3 fines so far. I fear more to arrive by post as time passes.

Has anyone else fallen into this tourst trap?

I know I should have known and all that. However, in Italy there are literally hundreds of signs in each intersection and these signs are easy to miss, in particular when you just other cars into the city center.

Also: does anyone know of a way to get a permit, similar to the Umweltplakette in Germany?

Funny rant from my point of view, always felt very relaxed there and never got a fine. Not even once. No "tourists traps", no random carabinieri BS. (maybe Swiss plates help lol)

But seriously, I can't wait for our next vacation in Italy, missed it a lot lately.

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hahahaha, nothing related to covid. This is about making city centers more livable. This is about giving residents priority above tourists. So, only access to residents, delivery vehicles, buses and taxis.

This. Like TOTALLY.
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Don't, don't, don't drive at 140 km/h on Italian motorways.
Quite right. You don't want to get done for holding up the traffic. In my experience, speed limits on Italian roads are just for decoration.
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Quite right. You don't want to get done for holding up the traffic. In my experience, speed limits on Italian roads are just for decoration.
Also for target practice...

In the firearms club I was a member of, there was an interesting chap from southern Italy, who had impressively good aim. I asked him where he learnt (expecting him to be ex-army), and his response was in the country roads with his brother. One would drive, and the other would attempt to shoot the road signs with the "lupara" (kind of like a sawn off shotgun)...
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Re: Rant: ZTL in Italy

should have stayed at home, like most people and had some respect for other people,
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