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Old 25.05.2021, 18:04
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Re: Got banned from local store for demanding a mask

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I've been having issues with two non-swiss employees of a local store for over a year now, since the pandemic started, "Alan" and "Bob."
I bet Alan and Bob are regretting not having banned you over a year ago.
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Old 25.05.2021, 18:09
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FFS - this isn't someone committing an actual crime here.
Wrong.

Regulations from BAG: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2020/438/de

Legal basis for the regulations: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2020/711/de

If you're going to "FFS" someone, at least get it right.
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Wrong.

Regulations from BAG: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2020/438/de

Legal basis for the regulations: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2020/711/de

If you're going to "FFS" someone, at least get it right.
I’m talking about real crimes ... like theft, injury & the like - not someone not pushing up their mask the right way. Y’all have clearly been residing in your little bubble for far too long.
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Old 25.05.2021, 19:14
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Re: Got banned from local store for demanding a mask

Leave a terrible Google Maps review of the place and never go again, same goes for whoever ask you about the place tell them what happen there.
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Despite what they told you, it is actually the police's responsibility. Certainly where I live, it's the police who come round and do all the checks, though I guess the local authorities might assign the task to someone else.
I get the impression that OP called them to enquire about the "ban", that's how their reply makes sense.
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If you have been banned from a store, absolutely you must never go there again. At all. It is no longer relevant to you what they do there and how they conduct their business, (including how they don't use their masks properly) as, quite simply, once you have been forbidden from entering their store, you must not go near their door again.

Since you have been told not to return, (in German: Hausverbot), if you do go there again the store is very likely to call police on you immediately. That's a kind of trouble that is easy to avoid: just don't go there again, ever.
A common store clerk lacks the authority to issue a Hausverbot. Only the person(s) holding the equivalent of ownership rights is authorised. For a shop that's usually the owner, shop manager and deputies, or similar.

A Hausverbot/ban requires the written form. It must clearly identify the issuing as well as the target person (e.g. Mrs doro, here road 42, 8000 there), the object(s) the ban applies to, the issue date, the duration, and the consequences of breaching the ban. And you must be able to prove delivery, so either have a witness present when you hand it over in person or send it by registered mail.

That doesn't answer the question though why OP would you take the business to a shop you're not welcome or feel uncomfortable in? Perhaps inform shop management, and shop elsewhere. After all you're motorised and shops are a dime a dozen.
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Old 25.05.2021, 20:12
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Wow! What about just not going there anymore?
20 posts in 12 years - and 25 thanks per post.

In my opinion, Juliet31 should post more often.
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A common store clerk lacks the authority to issue a Hausverbot. Only the person(s) holding the equivalent of ownership rights is authorised. For a shop that's usually the owner, shop manager and deputies, or similar.

A Hausverbot/ban requires the written form. It must clearly identify the issuing as well as the target person (e.g. Mrs doro, here road 42, 8000 there), the object(s) the ban applies to, the issue date, the duration, and the consequences of breaching the ban. And you must be able to prove delivery, so either have a witness present when you hand it over in person or send it by registered mail.

That doesn't answer the question though why OP would you take the business to a shop you're not welcome or feel uncomfortable in? Perhaps inform shop management, and shop elsewhere. After all you're motorised and shops are a dime a dozen.
Yes, Urs Max, you're right. I'd forgotten about those formal requirements of a Hausverbot. And in the three cases of which I know, all three persons did receive it in writing, just as you say. One was foolish enough to return to the store, since she felt that she had a right to be there and the shop-staff had been in the wrong, but then the police were called immediately.

And yes, as many have said, I also don't see the point of returning to a store when the way they do things there doesn't suit one. I don't understand why OP would have done that, or at least I wouldn't, not even if the store were the closest, with the most convenient hours, and stocked my favourite foods.
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Old 25.05.2021, 20:39
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Some people just need to learn how to live and let live ....
But the problem is that is not a case of live and let live, it’s a case of live and let die! Carelessness or indifference that leads to the spread of the virus impacts us all, from restricting our freedom due to lockdowns, to availability of intensive care treatment and postponement of treatments etc.

I have no problem in people doing their own thing so long as it does not stop the rest of us from doing our thing.
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Old 25.05.2021, 21:06
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Re: Got banned from local store for demanding a mask

Pretty much every Middle Eastern (aka "non-Swiss") Place is staffed by a proprietor who doesn't wear a mask properly.

I frankly don't give a damn - if you think a mask will work in a very hot and wet environment you are being optimistic. I'd be far more interested in the ventilation if I were you.

At the end of the day I've no problem wearing a mask on the train or in the supermarket but it's disproportionate to ask someone to wear them all day in that environment.

FWIW I get a falafel wrap most days by a nose showing person and seem to have avoided Covid judging by my non reaction to the first dose.

Im not saying masks never work, I'm saying get a sense of the risk involved in each situation and a sense of proportion.

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Old 25.05.2021, 21:30
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Tell Alan and Bob that a nose sticking out of mask is a highly visible sign of a very low IQ.

See where that gets you...
Yes, we have a phrase in English, ‘mouth breathers’ which is meant to imply that the person is too stupid to be able to breath through their nose.
My bet is that most of these naked nose people are not breathing through their mouth though.

Btw, I used to wear a mask, a forensic suit, double gloves, and a face shield all day in my old job. Surgeons have similar get up for much longer. Running a bread counter is not brain surgery so....
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Old 25.05.2021, 21:38
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Looking forward to Chapter 2 of this story where it's revealed that Alan and Bob have both received two doses of Moderna back in April, or better still, the OP!
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Old 25.05.2021, 21:51
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Yes, we have a phrase in English, ‘mouth breathers’ which is meant to imply that the person is too stupid to be able to breath through their nose.
My bet is that most of these naked nose people are not breathing through their mouth though.

Btw, I used to wear a mask, a forensic suit, double gloves, and a face shield all day in my old job. Surgeons have similar get up for much longer. Running a bread counter is not brain surgery so....
Sounds like you are paid enough to put up with the discomfort.
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Old 25.05.2021, 22:03
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I've been having issues ...

.... For the record, the store does have a CCTV and I have noted down the exact timestamps of the two incidents ....

... My concern is that I live in the area, though not next to the store, and they know my car as well. I am worried that I may get into trouble if push comes to shove and I certainly don't want to be afraid of walking around my apartment or constantly checking whether I am stalked ...
I would be more concerned about yourself than about them, frankly.
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Old 25.05.2021, 22:23
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So let's go over this again.

You complained to the police because a guy in a bakery was not wearing his mask over his nose.

The police said, whatever. The guys didn't get into any sort of trouble. So they should have no reason to want to get back at you.

And you are implying you are unhappy with the passivity of the police.
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To be honest, I would have preferred the police being a bit more active in safeguarding public health than in controlling people on less relevant topics or issuing a fine for minor things.

A traffic radar serves 40 chf slips every minute thanks to its precisely location after the brow of the hill. Technicien have been seen investing big time to set up the trap.

A friend of mine scratched her car against a pillar. Apparently she should have reported her damage to the officers and offer paying for it, but she didn t know that rule. Police officers invest huge time to pursue her offense: crawled CCTV, read plate, located her home, investigated her parked car, paid an intimidating visit and sent her a huge fine for "hiding" her fault and driving irresponsibly. She td me that she just didn t know such rule and had considered her offense non existing because the pillar just had a small scratch, her car got by far the worst part.

But then in the middle of a pandemic OP can not be unhappy with the passivity of the police to give compliance to basic hygiene rules that save lifes. There has been people belonging to high risk groups, like my aged neighbours who can not shop via internet because they don t know how to do it, that have been taking risk due to those noses out of the mask. Seriously, is the OP so wrong? I understand his point and feel that some of the people infected could have been saved. The use of masks has been really relaxed in Switzerland c'mon, and we speak about the temple of rules compliance. I just still fail to understand why some rules are sacred and trespass is capital offence and others (dont get me started on velos) seem so relaxed.
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I've been having issues with two non-swiss employees of a local store for over a year now,
Try starting by not being a racist.

You probably give of the wrong vibe.

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Yes, we have a phrase in English, ‘mouth breathers’ which is meant to imply that the person is too stupid to be able to breath through their nose.
I will sound stupid..but with my specs and FFP2 constantly clipped to my nose, with all the pollen around and wearing this stuff 12hr a day, I can't remember when I last breathed through my nose during daylight. I feel like my nose gave up, about a year ago.

I know that 'mouth-breather' is just a saying, and it's meant to ridicule people, but I dream about nice wide open nostrils. They were ok before the pandemics.
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Pretty much every Middle Eastern (aka "non-Swiss") Place is staffed by a proprietor who doesn't wear a mask properly.

I frankly don't give a damn - if you think a mask will work in a very hot and wet environment you are being optimistic. I'd be far more interested in the ventilation if I were you.

At the end of the day I've no problem wearing a mask on the train or in the supermarket but it's disproportionate to ask someone to wear them all day in that environment.

FWIW I get a falafel wrap most days by a nose showing person and seem to have avoided Covid judging by my non reaction to the first dose.

Im not saying masks never work, I'm saying get a sense of the risk involved in each situation and a sense of proportion.
Im glad we narrowed down the shop owning anti maskers to the middle easterners.
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To be fair to the OP it IS very crappy for people to have their masks down handling food FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. The OP may certainly have overreacted, but a "douchebag" they are not.
Kudos to the OP for even daring to post his situation on the board. Man, you guys are brutal.

I'm with Chuff here.... shop assistants and store owners have been schooled continuously on the importance of wearing a mask. They're handling food which makes it even more imperative to use safety measures correctly.

We need threads like this to discuss every day situations, especially in times like these. Did the OP overreact? As a consumer, he had every right to feel the way he did. I certainly wouldn't call the OP a racist just for saying the two employees are non-Swiss. That could mean anything, including being British.

Here's to the OP for having a thick skin. And a good mask And a vaccination
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Re: Got banned from local store for demanding a mask

If they were exempt then they would not be wearing a mask, instead they were wearing a mask incorrectly.
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