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Old 07.06.2021, 16:00
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Bellevue was an absolute circus on the weekend, was walking back from dinner around 11pm and was quite surprised - certainly different from 2 years ago which leads me to believe that lockdown played a huge part.
Why is this I wonder? Because night clubs, concerts etc are still off limits?
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Old 07.06.2021, 16:11
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Why is this I wonder? Because night clubs, concerts etc are still off limits?
and probably beyond their budget as well
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Old 07.06.2021, 16:17
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and age group
and dress sense
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They should go plain-clothes and grab any kids saying "hey, Brüdi" and wearing sweatpants. They could sit at Di Vino on the path and enjoy a prosecco while they wait.

The main issue is that is seems the parents don't care. I do assume they are coming from not far away. There is occasionally an idiot that races up and down the path on an e-motorthing.
They're too busy enjoying the latest fleet of Audi E-Tron Polizei cars and slapping fines on AG plated parked cars around Kreuzstrasse!
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Old 08.06.2021, 01:29
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They're too busy enjoying the latest fleet of Audi E-Tron Polizei cars and slapping fines on AG plated parked cars around Kreuzstrasse!
That’s called going after the parents rather than after the kids
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Old 08.06.2021, 07:26
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The main issue is that is seems the parents don't care. I do assume they are coming from not far away. There is occasionally an idiot that races up and down the path on an e-motorthing.
I wonder if the parents are fully aware of what their naughty offsprings with underdeveloped frontal lobes do when they're out and about...

I wouldn't be so sure they don't care. They might have troubles to control them.
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I wonder if the parents are fully aware of what their naughty offsprings with underdeveloped frontal lobes do when they're out and about...

I wouldn't be so sure they don't care. They might have troubles to control them.
I draw a conclusion on the basis of the following facts:
A. The kids are typically under 16 and it seems the parents don't know where they might be
14. The parents must notice that their child is arseholed and stinking of booze when they come home

As obnoxious as a teen might be, a parent has to have the gumption to at least ground the kid.
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I draw a conclusion on the basis of the following facts:
A. The kids are typically under 16 and it seems the parents don't know where they might be
14. The parents must notice that their child is arseholed and stinking of booze when they come home

As obnoxious as a teen might be, a parent has to have the gumption to at least ground the kid.
When I was a teen our parents used to set a curfew and we were required to give full details of the places and people we're going to hang with (which of course we sometimes did, sometimes not lol )....might be called child abuse these days. But overall we were much more malleable, I think. The naughtiest thing I remember of was to provoke teachers to own their shit, was a dorky child who used to read more than your average schooler. I was still grounded for that lol.
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Old 08.06.2021, 09:33
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Re: Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

... and let's not forget about all the littering. that has been getting worse for years in my opinion, and before the pandemic too.

I hate it when people litter, especially when there are so many bins around.

Parts of Seefeld can more resemble a tip on an early summer morning before the cleaning crews come around - and I wish i was exaggerating.
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Re: Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

Risk averse boomers shut down the world over an exaggerated flu....then complain that youngsters (who have missed out on so much over the last 1.5 years) let off some steam after a miserable cold and wet spring comes to an end. Just can't please some people!
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Re: Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

While there are probably many parents who could do more to control their teenage kids I can imagine many are not.

I am not sure how much counselling is available for parents who would genuinely like to make things better for their kids. Maybe parents should be made more aware of such things if they exist.

But another issue I have is that we hold only 18+ accountable for their actions with juniors having to do something really bad to feel any meaningful consequences.

For a long while 15y.o. were regarded as very much adults.

Now kids in developed countries many times grow up maybe too shielded (lucky or not for us adults as well). But this does not mean that these "kids" are not capable of terrible acts.

I know there is some research claiming youngsters cannot process consequences of their actions in the way adults can but I am not persuaded. What I think is that if we do tell them they are not responsible for their actions they are definitely less likely to perceive as they actually are.

p.s. watched once a documentary about teenagers in Japan who murder people before they turn 18 just to gain the "experience"
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They have been incredibly good and compliant with the rules, let's be more understanding. It wasn't easy.
Antisocial behaviour, especially intimidation and vandalism, is never acceptable. There's no excuse for it regardless of how "hard" the pandemic has been for kids in this cushioned country.

The police need to stamp down on that stuff if it is starting to become especially problematic.
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Old 08.06.2021, 10:09
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They should go plain-clothes and grab any kids saying "hey, Brüdi" and wearing sweatpants. They could sit at Di Vino on the path and enjoy a prosecco while they wait.
Ha, my favorite sweatpants wearing butcher calls me Brüdi....albeit he looks in his 30s.
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p.s. watched once a documentary about teenagers in Japan who murder people before they turn 18 just to gain the "experience"
Is the documentary called "battle Royal"?
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Is the documentary called "battle Royal"?
I mean an actual documentary so I guess the comment is a joke...
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But another issue I have is that we hold only 18+ accountable for their actions with juniors having to do something really bad to feel any meaningful consequences.
This is not quite accurate, at least not in Switzerland. Children and young people do have a legal responsibility for their actions, according to their development, from as young as 10 years old.
https://www.ch.ch/en/what-penalties-juvenile-crime/
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Old 08.06.2021, 12:27
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I am not sure how much counselling is available for parents who would genuinely like to make things better for their kids. Maybe parents should be made more aware of such things if they exist.
Fortunately, there is a helpline for this: Elternnotruf, which literally means "parents' emergency call [centre]". I agree with you, though, that it may not be well known enough. I'd have thought that it would be good to have that on the "go to" umbrella website www.ch.ch but I could not find it there.

https://www.elternnotruf.ch/
The website is available in German and French, but states that they provide advice for parents in German, French, English and Italian.

0848 35 45 55
24-hour hour helpline for any parent feeling in need or overwhelmed by the situation of parenting, or seeking advice on any aspect of dealing with their children.

They also offer help by mail, and face-to-face appointments.

The Elternnotruf is not the place to go for medical emergencies, but for just about anything else to do with parenting.
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Old 08.06.2021, 12:55
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The police need to stamp down on that stuff if it is starting to become especially problematic.
I think they do. They're not very efficient though.

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Ha, my favorite sweatpants wearing butcher calls me Brüdi....albeit he looks in his 30s.
Don't worry, he thinks you're cool.
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Don't worry, he thinks you're cool.
I was just laughing at the stereotyping people do. Mr. Butcher is a nice guy in spite of fashion and language choices. Also, I'm still laughing that people feel intimidated by baby-faced teenagers in tracksuits.

Now an anecdote. There are a few benches near my balcony where some teenagers started to use last summer as gathering place. I got a bit bothered by their choice in music. So, I came down to the bench to drink a few beers. A boring adult, talking like adult, and smoking a few cigarettes scared the teens away after 2 weekends. If they come back with the USB portable speaker I'll repeat the treatment.

I guess the young occupy empty spaces, if all the people complaining here bothered to have a drink ans socialize in those public spaces, the teens would run away from uncool adults.
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Also, I'm still laughing that people feel intimidated by baby-faced teenagers in tracksuits.
In some countries, those 'baby-faced teenagers in tracksuits' that you laugh at make life for others a misery, engage in constant vandalism and even beat the crap out of (or worse) to people. To say they can't be intimidating or dangerous to people is just crazily naive.
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