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Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

Morning all,

It seems that over the past fewmonths or so, there's been a notable rise in 'kids' using any apparent open space (think schools, playgrounds etc.) to gather and drink into the early hours of the weekend on the roads parallel to Seefeldstrasse (in the direction away from the lake)

Apart from the occassional noise, and some broken glass the next morning - I wasn't too bothered as they kept themselves to themselves and I was once one of them!

Police would be called occassionally and they would usually agree to turn the music down, or move away.

Over the past 2-3 months it seems to have gotten worse and more sinister. On any given Friday/Saturday evening when it is warm; there is much more intimidation, shouting, smashed bottles and even damage to property & cars.

This week alone we've had people trying to kick the doors in at the Frieis Gymnasium Zurich school, Spitex cars tipped over, parked cars being damaged and reports of wing mirrors being kicked off...I notice alot more police driving up and down but they're usually too late to any reports of things kicking off. Living on the ground floor means we're even more exposed as our bedrooms face the streets - usually you just hear laughing and shouting as they smash stuff.

Have had a fair few neighbourhood friends observe the same thing, usually starts from Bellevue/lake and then migrate into the streets & parks after midnight.

One part of me thinks it's just lockdown frustration being released as well as people going nuts when it stops raining! But another part of me feels like the area is essentially a soft target given people are unlikely to challenge or stop them around here.

Anyone else noticed a general increase in this type of thing recently?
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Morning all,

It seems that over the past fewmonths or so, there's been a notable rise in 'kids' using any apparent open space (think schools, playgrounds etc.) to gather and drink into the early hours of the weekend on the roads parallel to Seefeldstrasse (in the direction away from the lake)

Apart from the occassional noise, and some broken glass the next morning - I wasn't too bothered as they kept themselves to themselves and I was once one of them!

Police would be called occassionally and they would usually agree to turn the music down, or move away.

Over the past 2-3 months it seems to have gotten worse and more sinister. On any given Friday/Saturday evening when it is warm; there is much more intimidation, shouting, smashed bottles and even damage to property & cars.

This week alone we've had people trying to kick the doors in at the Frieis Gymnasium Zurich school, Spitex cars tipped over, parked cars being damaged and reports of wing mirrors being kicked off...I notice alot more police driving up and down but they're usually too late to any reports of things kicking off. Living on the ground floor means we're even more exposed as our bedrooms face the streets - usually you just hear laughing and shouting as they smash stuff.

Have had a fair few neighbourhood friends observe the same thing, usually starts from Bellevue/lake and then migrate into the streets & parks after midnight.

One part of me thinks it's just lockdown frustration being released as well as people going nuts when it stops raining! But another part of me feels like the area is essentially a soft target given people are unlikely to challenge or stop them around here.

Anyone else noticed a general increase in this type of thing recently?
Yep, sadly I did hear of this too. And not only me.

I guess the pandemic took its toll.

They have been incredibly good and compliant with the rules, let's be more understanding. It wasn't easy.
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Yep, sadly I did hear of this too. And not only me.

I guess the pandemic took its toll.

They have been incredibly good and compliant with the rules, let's be more understanding. It wasn't easy.
I'm actively having to carry my dog over certain bits of path we normally walk on due to broken glass on a Saturday morning. Our friend's dog already suffered a glass cut to the paw outside the dog park...ridiculous really.

I agree completely with the pandemic taking its toll - hence I hope it's a short-term thing!
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Morning all,
we've had people trying to kick the doors in at the Frieis Gymnasium Zurich school
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Unless they are deranged marxist-leninist, fighting for equal educations for all, this should give you a clue about the socioeconomic status of these kids ... no, I do not mean poor ineducated, yes I mean rich spoiled guys "suffering" from the pandemy.

For the record: I still think that compulsory army is useless, all Swiss citizens should undertake 12 months of compulsory civil service in hospital/altersheim and the likes. At age 16, if possible.
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Spoiled brats! Lashing for all
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Re: Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

When I first arrived in Zürich in 1991 and was looking for my first apartment, people were warning me to stay away from Seefeld because this sort of thing was going on.

Plus ca change and all that.

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Wait a min, isn't the Porsche Zürich there?
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Wait a min, isn't the Porsche Zürich there?
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Re: Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

Teenage behavior like that has existed since we moved here over 10 years ago ... we would regularly see the communist hammer and sickle spray painted around our neighborhood & would chuckle at the irony of privileged Swiss children wanting such a system. Kids would gather in certain areas and there was always a plethora of broken glass and damage that the city staff would miraculously clean up just after sun rise.

Graffiti (the stupid kind) has increased in my current 'hood since the pandemic ... it really pisses me off as the buildings are historical & beautiful, so disrespectful. In Basel, I've read stories of illegal raves happening at the river with stabbings / other shenanigans ... this is fairly new and the pandemic is at fault there. Also read of things happening at Bellevue in Zurich too. I am surprised that the police don't seem to be cracking down more often ... kids are so spoiled here as that would never go down in my home country.

I know things haven't been easy for them, but for goodness sakes, life has been remarkably better for them in Switzerland than in other countries during this time.

Hope you avoid damage and it will get better soon! Take care
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Re: Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

I don't think these are local kids from the school or direct area, they're from other parts of Zurich or indeed other cantons. Also some like to spray FCZ on everything and anything.

As I said, no stranger to drunk and loud teenagers which will always be around...but this is notably different for sure!
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Teenage behavior like that has existed since we moved here over 10 years ago ... we would regularly see the communist hammer and sickle spray painted around our neighborhood & would chuckle at the irony of privileged Swiss children wanting such a system. Kids would gather in certain areas and there was always a plethora of broken glass and damage that the city staff would miraculously clean up just after sun rise.

Graffiti (the stupid kind) has increased in my current 'hood since the pandemic ... it really pisses me off as the buildings are historical & beautiful, so disrespectful. In Basel, I've read stories of illegal raves happening at the river with stabbings / other shenanigans ... this is fairly new and the pandemic is at fault there. Also read of things happening at Bellevue in Zurich too. I am surprised that the police don't seem to be cracking down more often ... kids are so spoiled here as that would never go down in my home country.

I know things haven't been easy for them, but for goodness sakes, life has been remarkably better for them in Switzerland than in other countries during this time.

Hope you avoid damage and it will get better soon! Take care
Bellevue was an absolute circus on the weekend, was walking back from dinner around 11pm and was quite surprised - certainly different from 2 years ago which leads me to believe that lockdown played a huge part.
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I don't think these are local kids from the school or direct area, they're from other parts of Zurich or indeed other cantons. Also some like to spray FCZ on everything and anything.

As I said, no stranger to drunk and loud teenagers which will always be around...but this is notably different for sure!
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Yep! Sh1te team and sh1te graffity.
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FG and the GZ Riesbach are a magnet for these kids. They usually sport bottles of vodka and red bull, probably from the Coop around the corner. Typical age is around 14-16 and they usually migrate at around 2200 to the lake/parks area.

Keep calling the police. Get your neighbours to do so too.
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FG and the GZ Riesbach are a magnet for these kids. They usually sport bottles of vodka and red bull, probably from the Coop around the corner. Typical age is around 14-16 and they usually migrate at around 2200 to the lake/parks area.

Keep calling the police. Get your neighbours to do so too.
This. For their own good. Stadelhofen is fun late Saturdays. Have seen drunk teens trying to pick up fights with other groups, I wish it was fun but I felt sorry for them.
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Re: Increased vandalism and 'unsocial' behaviour around Seefeld

Yes have witnessed the change in youth behaviour starting when they leave the train at Zurich Stadelhofen all the way down the lake into the parks and public spaces since the relaxing of restrictions. Not comparing but nothing compared to the crime wave in NYC as pandemic restrictions are relaxed.

Wonder if local authorities also notice/track an uptick in this anti-social behaviour and criminal activity? Anyone have a site with the data?
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This. For their own good. Stadelhofen is fun late Saturdays. Have seen drunk teens trying to pick up fights with other groups, I wish it was fun but I felt sorry for them.
Stadi is a no-go zone late in the evening if you're a teen, especially male. That extends to the upper area above the station and the island that the trams and FB loop around.

Thankfully their BS has not extended to old farts - yet.
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FG and the GZ Riesbach are a magnet for these kids. They usually sport bottles of vodka and red bull, probably from the Coop around the corner. Typical age is around 14-16 and they usually migrate at around 2200 to the lake/parks area.

Keep calling the police. Get your neighbours to do so too.
Sounds to me like a spill over of some the activities you see along the lake promenade during certain hours.

The usual boom box and marihuana crowd.

I don't think they are necessarily local kids. But they seem to believe that in that overall area they can do as they like.
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Yes have witnessed the change in youth behaviour starting when they leave the train at Zurich Stadelhofen all the way down the lake into the parks and public spaces since the relaxing of restrictions. Not comparing but nothing compared to the crime wave in NYC as pandemic restrictions are relaxed.

Wonder if local authorities also notice/track an uptick in this anti-social behaviour and criminal activity? Anyone have a site with the data?
They are definitely noticing an uptick as the Police who responded late night on the weekend told us that they are 'upping patrols' around Stadelhofen, Bellevue and Seefeld...if they get enough calls, they will have to do something, similar to how they started blocking entry into Dufourstrasse/Seefeldstrasse near due to noise complaints due to cars doing repeated loud laps of the area at night.

What you say about a 'no go' area is interesting - the kids I'm seeing are definitely not from around here and it feels very different to the general (but mostly harmless) menace that used to be around. I.e. these are not a bunch of rich spoiled kids.
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They should go plain-clothes and grab any kids saying "hey, Brüdi" and wearing sweatpants. They could sit at Di Vino on the path and enjoy a prosecco while they wait.

The main issue is that is seems the parents don't care. I do assume they are coming from not far away. There is occasionally an idiot that races up and down the path on an e-motorthing.
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