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Old 04.07.2021, 18:41
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

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I think that is an urban legend - you pay your money and then put what you like in them (as long as it's normal household waste).

The recycling gets a big boost because it's free.

For me it's a great system - if I get stuff that's too messy or smelly to recycle, or for whatever reason I just can't be bothered, I figure I'm paying and it's not landfill but incineration with waste energy collection. I make a decent effort to recycle, because it's right and because it saves money, but also have very little stress or excessive guilt over it.
That’s definitely the case here.
You can put whatever you like in the paid rubbish bags but you’re obviously paying for the privilege as it takes up space in the bags.
I try to recycle everything that’s recyclable where possible but sometimes stuff gets put in the regular rubbish because logistically it’s easier at that time.
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Old 04.07.2021, 19:38
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

I´m shocked, just wait until your Gauleiter hears about it.
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Old 04.07.2021, 19:42
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It might be an urban legend, but I was told when I moved here that you can't put recyclables such as soda cans and glass bottles in the regular rubbish or you'll get fined.
It's an urban legend.

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Old 04.07.2021, 19:49
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It's an urban legend.

Tom
So, can I put batteries, motor oil and printer toner in the municipal waste bag?
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Love the title, it's so wrong. As others have said, expect to find a letter with a fine in your post box fairly soon. I seriously doubt that there isn't somewhere in the village that sells the official bags.

Don't bring your US/French mentality to Switzerland; instead learn what the rules are (they can be many and often surprise you) and abide by them. Unless you enjoy getting a lot of fines of course.
Corona was expensive. We need the newbies fine-money.

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Ours are grey and sold in multiple places but you do have to ask for them as they are always kept behind the counter......
Yes, ain't that peculiar? As if it were something one should be ashamed to ask for.

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So, can I put batteries, motor oil and printer toner in the municipal waste bag?
Nope. It seems you won't be fined though.
Read this about batteries and do your own research about the rest.
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Yes, ain't that peculiar? As if it were something one should be ashamed to ask for.
Like other small valuable things they are subject to ‘five fingered discounts’. In the beginning they were on the shelf like everything else. But the stock shrinkage was extreme.
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

Thanks for all the responses
The only point I was trying to make is that the colour of the “official” trash bag is white whereas a bag made of similar material but of a different colour ( black ) is unacceptable. That is absurd unless I am missing something. The absurdity of that law and the responses here seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
I have lived and worked in 5 countries and yes, I do have options to live elsewhere. I am merely observing the predominant lifestyle here before making any long-term commitments.
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Old 04.07.2021, 22:57
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

Well, I’d suggest you go back to one of those other countries, You will not be happy here.
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Old 04.07.2021, 22:59
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

And here some people were complaining about the refugees....

Edit: He's got to be a troll...He knows far too much about Switzerland.
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Thanks for all the responses
The only point I was trying to make is that the colour of the “official” trash bag is white whereas a bag made of similar material but of a different colour ( black ) is unacceptable. That is absurd unless I am missing something. The absurdity of that law and the responses here seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
I have lived and worked in 5 countries and yes, I do have options to live elsewhere. I am merely observing the predominant lifestyle here before making any long-term commitments.
It's not the color. You pay like 2-3 Francs for every 35L official trash bag. This money contributes to finance trash collection and incineration. You can use any other bag which is only a few cents. But, this bag doesn't pay for expensive waste incineration.

Other countries with higher taxes, you also pay for this but you never know about it.

Finally, start working psychologically to be prepared for the TV & radio tax.
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

It’s not even Friday

In many villages you can indeed use the regular black trash bags but you have to drive or walk it to a special bin where it is weighed and a cost per kilo taken off a prepaid card ... I prefer this as then I can take out my trash when it smells instead of keeping it around longer than I otherwise would simply because I haven’t filled up the 35L bag yet.
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Old 04.07.2021, 23:13
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Thanks for all the responses
The only point I was trying to make is that the colour of the “official” trash bag is white whereas a bag made of similar material but of a different colour ( black ) is unacceptable. That is absurd unless I am missing something. The absurdity of that law and the responses here seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
I have lived and worked in 5 countries and yes, I do have options to live elsewhere. I am merely observing the predominant lifestyle here before making any long-term commitments.
Wait until you find about the SBB.

For a ticket printed on paper that can't be worth more than a couple of rappen they can charge you 40 CHF and more.

You can of course bring your own piece of paper but be prepared to argue with the SVP gestapo man who inspects tickets on the train.

And don't even get me started on the pieces of paper the SNB produces and charges you 1000 CHF for.
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Dear Schaps

welcome to Switzerland. I am so sorry to hear of your terrible experience. Sadly, Switzerland is lagging well behind the USA in its handling of garbage disposal, although it's trying hard to catch up. Given that the Alps are made of pretty much solid granite, it's quite hard(!) and time-consuming to get them ready for landfill. Until such time, unfortunately, Switzerland and its Nazi officialdom expect you to pay for your own garbage disposal.

The thinking is that the more garbage you produce the more it'll cost you the more you won't like it the less you produce. Doesn't work with everybody, but the majority of people who live here seem to be able to get it.
Swiss has a developed railway system and easy access to other countries who I bet would be happy to landfill it.
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Old 04.07.2021, 23:21
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Thanks for all the responses
The only point I was trying to make is that the colour of the “official” trash bag is white whereas a bag made of similar material but of a different colour ( black ) is unacceptable. That is absurd unless I am missing something. The absurdity of that law and the responses here seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
I have lived and worked in 5 countries and yes, I do have options to live elsewhere. I am merely observing the predominant lifestyle here before making any long-term commitments.
You are missing something.

Instead of paying a flat fee for your garbage, you pay on a per-bag (i.e. volume) basis. Make less trash, and you pay less. The cost isn't for the bag itself, but a tax on the garbage...

Also, you'll find that in expatriate communities, 5 countries is quite quaint. I think I was 10-12 years old by the time I had lived in 5 countries.
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Thanks for all the responses
The only point I was trying to make is that the colour of the “official” trash bag is white whereas a bag made of similar material but of a different colour ( black ) is unacceptable. That is absurd unless I am missing something. The absurdity of that law and the responses here seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
I have lived and worked in 5 countries and yes, I do have options to live elsewhere. I am merely observing the predominant lifestyle here before making any long-term commitments.
Something's missing alright
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The only point I was trying to make is that the colour of the “official” trash bag is white whereas a bag made of similar material but of a different colour ( black ) is unacceptable.
So how would you easily distinguish between bags of rubbish upon which people have paid the tax on and ones they have not. I’m pretty sure as well if you examine the white bags carefully there will be more that just the color in the difference. Otherwise you could use any white refuse bag to avoid the tax.

Rights now your antisocial behavior in dodging the refuse tax, singles you out in your community. Why you’d want to start out your retirement in a new country by being antisocial I don’t know.
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The absurdity of that law and the responses here seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
I have lived and worked in 5 countries and yes, I do have options to live elsewhere. I am merely observing the predominant lifestyle here before making any long-term commitments.
Please do let us know how we can convince you that your initial impressions are bang-on and that you should immediately remedy the situation. If possible, with retrospective effect.
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

Thank you for explaining that the “official” trash bags are just another form of taxation. It is now understandable that, depending upon the amount of trash vs recycling, will affect the amount of tax the individual pays.
I am only trying to understand the way things work here.
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I am only trying to understand the way things work here.
Sounded more like complaining to me.

Your "question" could have been easily answered by Google or searching this forum.
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Thank you for explaining that the “official” trash bags are just another form of taxation. It is now understandable that, depending upon the amount of trash vs recycling, will affect the amount of tax the individual pays.
I am only trying to understand the way things work here.
Well next time start by assuming there is a reason why things are done in a certain way and just ask the simple question rather than embarrassing yourself with a complete load of no nonsense.

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