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Thank you for explaining that the “official” trash bags are just another form of taxation. It is now understandable that, depending upon the amount of trash vs recycling, will affect the amount of tax the individual pays.
It's not a tax, it's a utility. Like water supply, sewage, or electrical power. The more you use it, the more you pay.
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Thank you for explaining that the “official” trash bags are just another form of taxation. It is now understandable that, depending upon the amount of trash vs recycling, will affect the amount of tax the individual pays.
I am only trying to understand the way things work here.
Did it not occur to you that there might be a reason for the standardised rubbish bags?
Most people would try to find out about the system before joining an online forum and making outrageous and unsubstantiated claims about it.

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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

It's not exclusively Swiss, nor was Switzerland the first place to do it, although it's probably the most well known and most comprehensive.

It's not unheard of in the US either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_as_you_throw
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It's not exclusively Swiss, nor was Switzerland the first place to do it, although it's probably the most well known and most comprehensive.

It's not unheard of in the US either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_as_you_throw
We moved here from Belgium eleven years ago and the taxed rubbish bags were a thing there long before we left. It was quite strange not having them here at first as we were totally used to separating things for recycling and putting minimal waste in the taxed bags. The difference was that the recycling bags were collected in Belgium, we have to take stuff to the recycling points ourselves here.
They didn’t introduce them to this area until several years later but we’d been continuing our recycling habits anyway.

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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

Seeing how some people in some countries just simply toss garbage out of their home windows, or their car windows...Or other countries go on garbage strikes and let their cities rot for a long time, I appreciate how the responsibility gets put on the consumer here. Big volume - big tax to pay. Mindful consumption, small amount of garbage, small tax. It is the opposite of autocratic, it gets every consumer decide on tax by himself. I think it is great incentive to reduce consumption, extra packaging, disposable stuff. Big brother would impose equal tax on everybody no matter how much they consume. If one recycles, the garbage tax is accessible to even very low income homes, plus if I am not mistaken one used to get free bags at some situations, like having a baby (diaper age), etc.
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Thanks for all the responses
The only point I was trying to make is that the colour of the “official” trash bag is white whereas a bag made of similar material but of a different colour ( black ) is unacceptable. That is absurd unless I am missing something. The absurdity of that law and the responses here seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
I have lived and worked in 5 countries and yes, I do have options to live elsewhere. I am merely observing the predominant lifestyle here before making any long-term commitments.
Look Schaps, a word in your ear. It's never a good idea to march into someone else's house, town, or country, and start berating them for no other reason than that they do things differently compared with where you come from. Remember that old expression about travel broadening the mind? That's how it works. You see how other people and communities do things and you start to re-evaluate what you've always known. It's a civilising process, and shouldn't be a cause of anger and wild accusations.

You're right that it would be absurd if it was simply a matter of arbitrary colour preference by the Gemeinde. So absurd in fact that you should have realised that there must be some other explanation. I don't want to keep lecturing you. But you're old enough to know that there are good and bad ways of communicating, and that especially in a new place it's wise to bear this in mind. A much better approach here (both in CH and on EF) would be to simply ask: "I don't get this bag colour thing. Can someone explain to a newbie?" You'd have got a simple, helpful answer that would have spared you the pile-on.

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Thank you for explaining that the “official” trash bags are just another form of taxation. It is now understandable that, depending upon the amount of trash vs recycling, will affect the amount of tax the individual pays. I am only trying to understand the way things work here.
Thanks -- much better. Maybe you were having a bad day. Switzerland is very far from being perfect. I'm not a blind apologist for CH but after 13 years here, I've learnt that actually, they get it right most of the time. Funnily enough, the direct tax on household trash is one of the examples I always use. The more trash you generate, and the less you recycle, the more you pay. If you recycle well, you save money.

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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

We use the same pay-by-the-bag system in Austria. After seeing the mountains of trash standing out at the curb in the US, I think it's a good system. I used to see perfectly good stuff--bales of bubble wrap, wooden planks, appliances, mirrors--all headed for the landfill in FL. It cost all of us a lot more than if they had been properly recycled or repurposed, and all must pay for the few who are just plain lazy.
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.....Funnily enough, the direct tax on household trash .....
Only that this is not a tax. It is paying according to the costs-by-cause principle.
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

Love Rome and everything but that‘s an example of a beautiful, historic, mesmerising city that (regarding rubbish and cleanliness) is an absolute shithole these days. For the sake of a proper system of administration, and enforcement, is a great example of how to let things really go.

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Thank you for explaining that the “official” trash bags are just another form of taxation. It is now understandable that, depending upon the amount of trash vs recycling, will affect the amount of tax the individual pays.
I am only trying to understand the way things work here.
Are you because the speed with which you drew analogies to Nazis suggests you were trolling
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Or you could drive back into France and try it there. Good luck with that.
Friend of mine was going into France and was a bit embarrased at the state of the car. They were in a bit of a hurry, so they quickly gathered all their rubbish into a bag and drove off. At the border, they were stopped by the French who said they had to dispose of the bag first. "So if I'd left the rubbish strewn around the seats, no problem".

Er... yes.

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It might be an urban legend, but I was told when I moved here that you can't put recyclables such as soda cans and glass bottles in the regular rubbish or you'll get fined.
Depends. You can do that if you want to where I live, but you can also recycle for free.
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Love Rome and everything but that‘s an example of a beautiful, historic, mesmerising city that (regarding rubbish and cleanliness) is an absolute shithole these days. For the sake of a proper system of administration, and enforcement, is a great example of how to let things really go.

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I’m here right now, can’t call it a shit hole (even though there is indeed a lot of shit everywhere), but they really are letting the city center go into ruin. It is sad as it is a beautiful place. I’m looking forwards to getting home to my beautiful & clean old city.
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Depends. You can do that if you want to where I live, but you can also recycle for free.
Free? You think? Communal taxes that you pay go for this.
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Free? You think? Communal taxes that you pay go for this.
And you pay those whether you use the recycling facilities or not so you might as well make use of them.
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As Spinal is factual and Urs Max uncharacteristically nice
In all seriousness I find that unfair, I'm not chuff.

There's no doubt that I sometimes attack in an opinionated discussion, admittedly less wouldn't hurt (I'm working on it). But helping people find the way around is a completely different thing, I don't think you'll find one attack or derision by me in such a thread to a question asked in earnest. Of course troll don't count, nor situations where the OP keeps refusing the answers simply because it's not what they want to hear, and similar.
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Thank you for explaining that the “official” trash bags are just another form of taxation. It is now understandable that, depending upon the amount of trash vs recycling, will affect the amount of tax the individual pays.
I am only trying to understand the way things work here.
I think you drew several dramatic conclusions before you even started to get to the "finding out how things work" part.

Throwing around the words 'autocratic' and 'police state' because of the colour of trash bags...
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

So - I will start out with something helpful maybe - When I moved here, I knew that I had to use these special bags - because well, I studied, read, researched, joined this forum. I KNEW there was a special bag. but for the life of me, I couldn't find it.

I'm there in Coop sweating, searching, not understanding a thing... Where the hell are these bags!!!! only to learn later, (after more googling) they are behind the counter and you have to ask for them!

But - as an American immigrant (Here, 3 years.. can I even call my self an expat now??? that's a whole seperate thread) - I really hate it when people come in and complain about a system they don't understand, and claim theirs was better where they come from.

But on the non recyclables in the bag... I don't know if that's urban legend or not. I do throw away a lot of recyclables in the regular trash (I do recycle the vast quantities of wine and Champaign bottles) ... cans, some small bottles, paper - yes, I'm a horrible person, don't tell Gretta.

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So, can I put batteries, motor oil and printer toner in the municipal waste bag?
No.

Recyclables, electronics/electrics, what's called SonderAbfall in German, are each a category of their own. Only recyclables can be dumped in the prepaid household wastebags, the other two must be returned separately.

Electronics are a mix of recyclable and potentially harmful (lead, cadmium, quicksilver, PCBs, etc), they must be returned. The official list is (note the lighting stuff):
  • Electronic entertainment equipment
  • Office, information, communications technology equipment
  • Refrigeration equipment
  • Household equipment
  • Tools (excluding large-scale, stationary industrial tools)
  • Sport and leisure equipment and toys
  • Luminaries and lighting control equipment
SonderAbfall is dangerous and/or potentially harmful stuff (on its own, when burnt, or whatever), each type thereof must be returned separately. Unless it's definitely harmless it's probably in this category. Batteries, paint, glue, spray cans, chemicals (in a broader layman's sense including e.g. most unused household cleaning stuff), poison, pesticides, etc. Also old thermometers (quicksilver!). Drugs are in this category, too, likewise syringes and scalpels (except in a safe container).

Not entirely sure about oil (nutritional as well as mineral), but I believe that's a "must return" as well.

Whatever you do, don't flush it down the toilet. That's never the proper way to dispose of household waste.
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....[*]Luminaries and lighting control equipment[/LIST].....
Yep. This only started to become a problem, when the EU insisted on energy-saving bulbs being the ultimate, environmental thing to use and the only thing allowed to be sold. The LED's were accepted too (but are also Sondermüll - or Sonder-Abfall as Urs Max calls it).

While << When disposing of light bulbs, they can be thrown away with household waste without hesitation. The same also applies to halogen lamps. >> from site in German

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of LED and used them when it was still difficult to find them and only in a very limited variety but environmentally credible? Naaa. Use less electricity while producing more poison. There is two sides to each coin. The good ol' light-bulb wasn't as bad as they like to make it.

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Not entirely sure about oil (nutritional as well as mineral), but I believe that's a "must return" as well.

Whatever you do, don't flush it down the toilet. That's never the proper way to dispose of household waste.
Yes it is. Luckily I never have that problem normally (no deep frying in my house) but a few months ago I had bought some sunflower-oil and absolutely hated it! So for weeks I wondered how to get rid of it. In the end I put it in the household-trash (the expensive red bag that is here, red with black writing on it - must be Nazi ) within it's bottle.
I've not heard back from them.
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No.

Recyclables, electronics/electrics, what's called SonderAbfall in German, are each a category of their own. Only recyclables can be dumped in the prepaid household wastebags, the other two must be returned separately.

Electronics are a mix of recyclable and potentially harmful (lead, cadmium, quicksilver, PCBs, etc), they must be returned. The official list is (note the lighting stuff):
  • Electronic entertainment equipment
  • Office, information, communications technology equipment
  • Refrigeration equipment
  • Household equipment
  • Tools (excluding large-scale, stationary industrial tools)
  • Sport and leisure equipment and toys
  • Luminaries and lighting control equipment
SonderAbfall is dangerous and/or potentially harmful stuff (on its own, when burnt, or whatever), each type thereof must be returned separately. Unless it's definitely harmless it's probably in this category. Batteries, paint, glue, spray cans, chemicals (in a broader layman's sense including e.g. most unused household cleaning stuff), poison, pesticides, etc. Also old thermometers (quicksilver!). Drugs are in this category, too, likewise syringes and scalpels (except in a safe container).

Not entirely sure about oil (nutritional as well as mineral), but I believe that's a "must return" as well.

Whatever you do, don't flush it down the toilet. That's never the proper way to dispose of household waste.
It was a rhetorical question. I know it's recommended to recycle all you can recycle, and do it. But, any first-hand experience or stories of near people being fined for disposing recyclables in the taxed municipal waste bag?
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