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While << When disposing of light bulbs, they can be thrown away with household waste without hesitation. The same also applies to halogen lamps. >> from site in German
That web site isn't just *in* German, it *is* German and reflecting German law.
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Old 05.07.2021, 21:45
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That web site isn't just *in* German, it *is* German and reflecting German law.
The same rule I quoted is valid in Switzerland. If the use of proper German makes you uncomfortable, I gladly give you a quote from the good ol' Beobachter, passage "Leuchtmittel":

<<You can throw traditional light bulbs and halogen lamps in the rubbish, but not LED lamps, neon tubes, energy-saving lamps and entire luminaires. These can contain toxic, fluorescent material or even electronic components. They are accepted at some collection points, but certainly from the seller.>>
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

It has nothing to do with being comfortable or not.

When providing a source the onus is on you to ascertain that it is indeed relevant. Which you obviously failed in. The appropriate reaction would have been to take responsibility rather than trying to shift blame.

Not that the addition was necessary in the first place, the federal pages I linked spell it out clearly enough.
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It has nothing to do with being comfortable or not.

When providing a source the onus is on you to ascertain that it is indeed relevant. Which you obviously failed in. The appropriate reaction would have been to take responsibility rather than trying to shift blame.

I did, I gave the uneducated who does not know/remember that we took over/went along with the German ....ooops, sorry, EU .... ruling back then (and it was a big discussion about it actually) his very own Swiss link.
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I did, I gave the uneducated who does not know/remember that we took over/went along with the German ....ooops, sorry, EU .... ruling back then (and it was a big discussion about it actually) his very own Swiss link.
Whatever it is you're smoking, that's potent stuff. Looks like it's put you in a lasting high since a few days, good luck getting off.
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Old 06.07.2021, 10:16
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What do you mean with 'wrong trash in the right bag'?
In our part of Kanton Schwyz (red bags), you CANNOT put any and everything into the garbage bags AND I have seen the trash police doing "audits" of rubbish twice in the last handful of years.

Tyres, building rubble, garden compost, paint tins, electrical appliances - don't try breaking them up to go into the bags, unless you want trouble.

As it is, we are diligent about recycling (even more so than our Swiss neighbours) so a 35L bag lasts our household for 3 weeks (although starts to get stinky at this time of year so we have a complicated 3 bag decanting system....all because we don't want to add to plastic waste in giving a half filled bag to the rubbish collectors!)
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In our part of Kanton Schwyz (red bags), you CANNOT put any and everything into the garbage bags AND I have seen the trash police doing "audits" of rubbish twice in the last handful of years.

Tyres, building rubble, garden compost, paint tins, electrical appliances - don't try breaking them up to go into the bags, unless you want trouble.

As it is, we are diligent about recycling (even more so than our Swiss neighbours) so a 35L bag lasts our household for 3 weeks (although starts to get stinky at this time of year so we have a complicated 3 bag decanting system....all because we don't want to add to plastic waste in giving a half filled bag to the rubbish collectors!)
Typically the stuff that goes smelly is mostly food waste which you can mostly put in the compost bag.

I always rinse out empty containers, whether they are suitable for recycling or not, so they don't start going smelly in my kitchen.
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Old 06.07.2021, 10:33
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seem to confirm my initial impression that Switzerland is a police State, with an obviously increasingly right wing ( SVP) political climate, anti immigration, isolationist, little diversity etc. Switzerland has an infamous history of financial secrecy and sequestering art stolen by the Nazis in WW2.
People in glass houses.....How would you feel if I was in your original home country writing this:

...seems to confirm my initial impression that America is a police brutality state, with nearly half of it a fanatical gun-toting self-serving right-wing (and that's even without Trumpism effect), anti-everything except radical Christian climate; anti-immigration, isolationist, diverse tokenism, racially prejudiced etc. America has an infamous history of invoicing the UK for all support supplied in WW2, not paying any overseas traffic fines incurred by visiting Presidents and their entourages, raping and murdering civilians in lands that never belonged to the US, and sequestering art stolen by Americans in WW2 https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/a...-our-side.html
https://www.ushmm.org/collections/bi...phy/looted-art

I remember being shocked on my first visit to the USA, visiting family living on very posh, affluent estates, who were forced to keep their house exteriors and their gardens in a certain form, their grass to a certain level and species type (and in some instance, to a certain level of watering to ensure the right level of "green-ness", despite the horrific costs), all because of the dictations of their Nazi-like oberfurher "community boards"....and I met black Americans who were not allowed to "wear" their natural hair/hairstyles to work. After those experiences, being asked to use the right type of garbage bag seems so trivial....

For what it is worth OP, I too have lived now across many, many countries, and whilst I certainly have found some oddities in cultures and work and social practices, I have chosen to try to understand, respect and embrace, rather than simply "pooh-poohing" and "slagging off". Even my own original home country has some things I used to think were "normally acceptable and progressive" but I now see as less than perfect.

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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

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In all seriousness I find that unfair, I'm not chuff.

There's no doubt that I sometimes attack in an opinionated discussion, admittedly less wouldn't hurt (I'm working on it). But helping people find the way around is a completely different thing, I don't think you'll find one attack or derision by me in such a thread to a question asked in earnest. Of course troll don't count, nor situations where the OP keeps refusing the answers simply because it's not what they want to hear, and similar.
Dear Urs, sorry, I thought my raised eyebrow thingie was enough to indicate I was taking the piss. In fact, yours was a reasonable response. Prior to the OP admitting they really thought it was the bag's colour which was the issue, nobody (self included) thought such cluelessness was possible...
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Dear Urs, sorry, I thought my raised eyebrow thingie was enough to indicate I was taking the piss. In fact, yours was a reasonable response. Prior to the OP admitting they really thought it was the bag's colour which was the issue, nobody (self included) thought such cluelessness was possible...
If you spend any amount of time on Tiktok, you will be appalled at just how uneducated, entitled and utterly arrogant certain people with US nationality are. Thankfully, there are also MANY brilliant, educated/eager to learn and kind people, some of which I am lucky enough to call friends. But as a rule, if you think it isn't possible for someone to be as stupid as they seem to be, they are usually even "stupider" than that.
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

Another irony is that in many parts of the US there are neighbourhood management schemes that make the Swiss anal retentive passive aggressive approach look positively flexible and friendly.
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Newly moved here from France, expat USA. Temporarily living in a apartment complex in Canton Vaud. Was shocked to notice that only “official” white plastic garbage bags are approved to be disposed of in public déchèterie ! Not available in local village. Used the usual black 60 L one yesterday. This morning went to the same dumpster saw that my black bag had been removed ( garbage and all) and placed next to the dumpster! I obviously threw it back in further behind the rest of the white “official” trash bags. Interesting to see if some Nazi-like oberfurher will dumpster dive. Any similar experiences?
Thank god I browsed extensively through EF before I moved in !!

And thanks of course for the umpteenth time to all the wonderful people on here for helping make my life in CH enjoyable. But then ofcourse, i'm a slave to the local gestapo now.
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

So can someone expain me how this recycling thing works ?

Paper and Aluminium is easy, I see bins for that.

What to do with plastics and food waste ? I dont see any bins around me for that ?

Also what to do with eletronics ?


All goes into prepaid "other" bags ?
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So can someone expain me how this recycling thing works ?

Paper and Aluminium is easy, I see bins for that.

What to do with plastics and food waste ? I dont see any bins around me for that ?

Also what to do with eletronics ?


All goes into prepaid "other" bags ?
Plastics and food waste will depend on your municipality.
Electronics should be returned to an electronics store. A recycling fee is included in the sales price.
In some municipalities, there are dumps where you can go and dump all your recycling. Mostly it will be free of charge, but some items may be charged.
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So can someone expain me how this recycling thing works ?

Paper and Aluminium is easy, I see bins for that.

What to do with plastics and food waste ? I dont see any bins around me for that ?

Also what to do with eletronics ?


All goes into prepaid "other" bags ?
Food waste goes into the green/organic/composting collection here.

Plastics into general waste (unless PET or other recycleable plastic).
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Food waste goes into the green/organic/composting collection here.

Plastics into general waste (unless PET or other recycleable plastic).
Lots of recycling places provide a large plastic sack for a minimum price to collect plastic waste. Once full, you can bring the bag back. The bag is cheaper and much larger than the issued rubbish bags.
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Re: New to Ch— autocratic, big brother mentality

PET can usually be returned in supermarkets.
Bigger stores also have bins for batteries and light bulbs, and maybe some other special items.

The Post can also collect the PET at your place. You have to buy the official bags and then book the collection.
https://www.post.ch/de/ueber-uns/akt...iefkasten-klar
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What to do with plastics and food waste ? I dont see any bins around me for that ?
For me in Oerlikon my local Aldi which is about 100m away has big bins outside for PET and non-PET plastic bottles which I use along with some other underground bin things for various glass colours and metal. Saves me a long trek to the main recycling place as I dont have a car. My apartment block doesn't seem to have a compost bin so food waste goes in my normal Zuri sacks.

The main Coop here also has plastic bins outside for plastic bottles, so check any big supermarkets nearby.
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PET can usually be returned in supermarkets.
Bigger stores also have bins for batteries and light bulbs, and maybe some other special items.

The Post can also collect the PET at your place. You have to buy the official bags and then book the collection.
https://www.post.ch/de/ueber-uns/akt...iefkasten-klar
This may depend on your employer of course but in some companies the IT support people will also take private computer stuff for disposal . Of course shops take it as well but sometimes it’s less hassle at work .

If you live in Zurich there is also the cargo tram

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/ted/de/...nd_e-tram.html
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This may depend on your employer of course but in some companies the IT support people will also take private computer stuff for disposal . Of course shops take it as well but sometimes it’s less hassle at work .
You could also do what I call the Canadian approach, after a certain Canadian expat's approach to the problem - he told me he just takes stuff on the train, put it under his seat and then conveniently forget it when he gets off!

He did mention he sometimes had a problem with helpful Swiss people chasing him down the platform telling him he forgot something....
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