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Re: Irresponsible dog owner

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Yes, if the dog was friendly there likely was no harm done - but that does not negate the fact that the owner was in the wrong, and it cannot, ever, excuse the owner's subsequent behavior.
The owner was in the wrong if the dog was aggressive and actually attacked - if the other person simply overreacted then it's not the dog owners fault.

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There are countries where stray dogs are an absolute nightmare, maybe it conditions people differently? Dunno.
I've seen people from other cultures completely freak out just at the presence of a dog inside here in CH.
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Old 20.07.2021, 16:46
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Re: Irresponsible dog owner

Is there a limit to how many dogs one person is allowed to walk? I was chased on one occasion by a small terrier type dog when I was on my bike. I wasn't cycling fast as the pathway is shared with walkers. The owner had 5 dogs with her. Some were on a lead, but not this one and it gave chase to me, barking and trying to bite my foot. I was more concerned that I would fall off my bike than anything else. I am afraid I resorted to a very unladylike expletive and the owner called out that the dog doesnt like cyclists. I have seen her and her dogs since and now I always wait completely stationary until they have walked past.
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Old 20.07.2021, 17:03
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Is there a limit to how many dogs one person is allowed to walk?
My dog walker takes out up to 7 at a time.
10 chihuahua's are different ( and probably more dangerous ) than 10 malamutes, so I expect there is no absolute number, more 'being in control' I guess.
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Re: Irresponsible dog owner

When I read the OP post, I immediately thought of this:

(Karen complaining about being attacked by a Dobermann)
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Old 20.07.2021, 17:20
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My dog walker takes out up to 7 at a time.
10 chihuahua's are different ( and probably more dangerous ) than 10 malamutes, so I expect there is no absolute number, more 'being in control' I guess.
The doberman attacked me link you posted below is hilarious - just a "crazy Karen" and nothing to do with being a chihuahua owner

As someone who's owned/owns 3 generations of well trained/behaved Chihuahuas (after 2 generations of Dachshunds), I always feel slightly annoyed of people labeling chihuahuas or small dogs and their owners. Especially when once in a while we run into this mid-sized and big dog, who go totally mad at my quiet Chihuahua. If they had not been on a leash, it would have ripped my dog in pieces. The owners? (separate dogs/owners) Both just have a smirk on their faces and do NOTHING to correct their dogs. They look at my chihuahua like "yeah, go get that little thing"

So yeah, there are sh*t dog owners no matter what size their dog is.
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Is there a limit to how many dogs one person is allowed to walk?
This is a cantonal matter. Some cantons do indeed limit the number of dogs that can be walked simultaneously by one person, in BE for instance the limit is three. IN Geneva anyone simultaneously walking three or more dogs belonging to someone else must apply for a permit to do so. In some cantons, a limit only applies to restricted breeds. In other cantons, there is no restriction.

Peeking quickly at the summary of the ZH and GR dog laws, there is no restriction.

(However, if a dog has been judged to be 'auffallige' after a complaint and investigation, that could be included in measures taken.)

Again, dog control is the competency of the various cantons - so there are 26 different sets of laws out there. Navigating one's way through them is a bit of a jungle.

I would ask everyone commenting to add your canton so that it is clear which laws (or absence of laws) you are referencing, for clarity's sake.

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Old 20.07.2021, 19:50
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Re: Irresponsible dog owner

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The owner was in the wrong if the dog was aggressive and actually attacked - if the other person simply overreacted then it's not the dog owners fault.
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This.

I don't excuse the owner's behaviour though. He should have refrained from antagonising the OP even further.
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Old 20.07.2021, 20:14
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Interesting how you clearly worded the first post to make it sound like it was a dog running aggressively towards her, then the second post clarifies that the dog was not a physical threat or even acting aggressively. Maybe your wife should work on her fear of dogs, if a small fluffy dog trotting up to her non-aggressively causes such reactive anxiety.

But yes, the owner handled it in the crappiest way possible and the filming thing is ridiculous.
Hmm. You clearly are a slave to the laws of narrative. Cf Chekov's law. I'm afraid life isn't often so clear cut. I'm sorry I changed the wording and confused you.

Just to be helpful, I've highlighted where you've made a complete wrong assumption. The dog ran (not trotted) towards her barking, and wasn't friendly, wanting to play - rather over-excited. Caught her by surprise, and initiated a fear flight response. This is normal.

Perhaps you could learn to be a little more flexible in your reading, and understand that it's an imperfect medium.
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Is it the first time in your entire life when a dog has run towards you, usually willing to be patted and get attention or simply because they're curious? Some dogs are very friendly, I wouldn't make such a big deal out of it. To me it does seem you are
- overreacting
- both you and your wife had a very sheltered life.
Thank you. Option 3 fulfilled. And your wrong on all counts. As you'd know if you'd read my other post in this very thread. But never mind.

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No, leashes are not required at all time.
I knew this. However, we're awfully near a main road, so if you're not in full control of your dog, you really need to keep it on a lead.

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The owner was in the wrong if the dog was aggressive and actually attacked - if the other person simply overreacted then it's not the dog owners fault..
Almost option 2. However, if you read carefully, the rant is against the owner not the dog. I never blame the dog.

The dog came onto our land, barking over-excitedly, and the owner was not aware of what their dog was doing.
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Re: Irresponsible dog owner

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This.

I don't excuse the owner's behaviour though. He should have refrained from antagonising the OP even further.
Not exactly.

A key word in the BL law is 'belästigen', harassment - which can be in the eyes of the beholder. Or the Behörde. A dog does not have to cause injury, a complaint can be made when the dog harasses someone.

How such a complaint is handled seems to vary significantly, depending on local attitudes and resources.
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Re: Irresponsible dog owner

A lot of it must be down to perception of the incident.. I agree that all dogs should be under control but what some people see as a terrifying incident is nothing to somebody else.?

We're pretty rural, there are lots of dogs and lots of fields.. Dogs are usually not on leads .. A neighbour has a large german shepherd which is very loud and 'appears' to be very aggressive .. It lives with a tiny yorkshire terrier.. The shepherd comes running towards you like a big furry shark .. then sits until you pet it.. The yorkie just sits there beside barking.. My dog meantime completely ignores them..

They both, like mine have perfect recall.. But i could see how somebody not familiar would be freaked out if the owner didn't recall on time..
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I always say, the older I get, the more i value the company of dogs...

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I was bitten by a dog aged 3, still have the scars on my face. Still much prefer dogs to humans, and own a bloody ridiculous wolf now
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Old 20.07.2021, 22:19
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A lot of it must be down to perception of the incident.. I agree that all dogs should be under control but what some people see as a terrifying incident is nothing to somebody else.?
This. ^^^

I think some dog owners easily forget that others don't perceive their dogs the way they themselves do. And it's probably even a bit worse if that other person just isn't really use to being around dogs in general.

When I was a kid, my best friend had two Dobermans. I was always wary of them whenever I was at her house and she would always tell me that I was just being silly. I myself had a boxer dog, which of course I perceived as being the sweetest thing in the world, but in hindsight, I could see how some of my friends could have felt uneasy around her.
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This. ^^^

I think some dog owners easily forget that others don't perceive their dogs the way they themselves do. And it's probably even a bit worse if that other person just isn't really use to being around dogs in general.

When I was a kid, my best friend had two Dobermans. I was always wary of them whenever I was at her house and she would always tell me that I was just being silly. I myself had a boxer dog, which of course I perceived as being the sweetest thing in the world, but in hindsight, I could see how some of my friends could have felt uneasy around her.
Yup .. We have a french bulldog. It runs barking at the post lady who it sees everyday . She gives it a bunch of cuddles.
Other people jump back in the car and hide!
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Interesting how you clearly worded the first post to make it sound like it was a dog running aggressively towards her, then the second post clarifies that the dog was not a physical threat or even acting aggressively. Maybe your wife should work on her fear of dogs, if a small fluffy dog trotting up to her non-aggressively causes such reactive anxiety.

But yes, the owner handled it in the crappiest way possible and the filming thing is ridiculous.
Let’s blame the victim.
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Old 20.07.2021, 22:39
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Yup .. We have a french bulldog. It runs barking at the post lady who it sees everyday . She gives it a bunch of cuddles.
Other people jump back in the car and hide!
Frenchies love people - Luigi loves dogs and people but sadly other dogs can sometimes be very aggressive to him because he hasn't got much of a tail. He is actually really frightened of larger dogs now which is a shame..
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