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Old 08.08.2021, 18:29
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actually, it appears that most of those that speak English are indeed Italians. The first foreign language they learn is English, so I have been told. They are not encumbered with another two national languages that need to fit in the curriculum somewhere.
Italians, yes, but they all speak it like crap. None of the Italians I work with dare speak English with me, nor most of my friends. Emails, sure.

Ticinese learn first French, then German, then English.

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Old 08.08.2021, 18:30
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You're kidding me right? I only live 20K from Lugano, but the weather has been crap.
Do you live north of the Ceneri?

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Old 08.08.2021, 18:31
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Believe it or not, until the 90es English in Italian schools was just one of the possibilities, and French and German were more common. I studied French as first foreing language in the age 6 to 14, English only started at 12yo. I guess the reason was the presence of French and German minorities in Italy (Valle d'Aosta and Alto Adige, respectively).

But then English took over, as it is the language of business, science and internet, and now it's like you describe it.
I wouldn't be surprised if SAP software that Puntocitta runs to track people registrations is all in English

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Old 08.08.2021, 18:32
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I'm just confused whether those agreemens cover renewing of B permit.
Yes, they do.
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Old 08.08.2021, 18:44
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Yes, they do.
Thanks! That simplifies the process.
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Old 09.08.2021, 00:05
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Do you live north of the Ceneri?

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No. Between Ponte Tresa and Luino. It’s been worse elsewhere, but still relatively crappy here…
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Re: Worst summer ever?

I recently started a similar thread on here, complaining about how weather has been terrible this summer. Thankfully, the following two weeks at least should be sunnier and warmer, with significantly less precipitation.

After having checked the statistics for the last 10 years I reached the conclusion that the Rhone valley in Valais and the canton of Geneva (but only Geneva, if you go further north towards Nyon, rainfall increases dramatically) have the most favorable weather conditions (most sunshine, least rainfall). I can already anticipate complaints about how Ticino is more sunnier (difference is marginal) and warmer (this is true, it is generally warmer year round), but it pays dearly for it in terms of overall precipitation which is far more abundant than the two aforementioned places.
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After having checked the statistics for the last 10 years I reached the conclusion ....
That sounds useful. Would you please link to the kind of statistics you were reading, showing the last 10 years? Thanks.
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Old 10.08.2021, 13:19
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Re: Worst summer ever?

Interesting fact here:

This summer - in the other emisphere - was the case that for some reason the months shifted by one, meaning that december seemed like november, january like december, and the real summer ended up being in february...

Might mean that our july could be our august and same thing goes for the upcoming months...
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Re: Worst summer ever?

I am looking forward to September!
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Old 10.08.2021, 16:04
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Re: Worst summer ever?

It looks and feels like an early fall. Fascinating stuff!

https://www.severe-weather.eu/long-r...ope-lanina-fa/
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Old 10.08.2021, 18:45
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How is it not needed?

Everything works in Italian here, especially government offices.

Very few people speak English, especially among the 70k frontalieri.

Tom
I went to a cafe on mt Bre today, quite nice sunny day again.

Saw the following scene on top, Swiss German got fed up waiting for a waiter and started shouting in German about shitty service to one of the waiters. The waiter was very polite and tried to calm him down, but the manager appeared and very sharply cut the Swiss German off by speaking to him in Italian and saying to literally shut up and go fuсk yourself as I don't understand your language, its Ticino here.

Everything was pretty loud and many people were laughing.

The manager later served 2 glasses of fine Prosecco and was extremely friendly to me in English.

I love it here in Ticino.
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Old 10.08.2021, 19:03
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Re: Worst summer ever?

It’s now too hot.
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Old 10.08.2021, 19:35
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Swiss German got fed up waiting for a waiter and started shouting in German about shitty service to one of the waiters. The waiter was very polite and tried to calm him down, but the manager appeared and very sharply cut the Swiss German off by speaking to him in Italian and saying to literally shut up and go fuсk yourself as I don't understand your language, its Ticino here.

Everything was pretty loud and many people were laughing.

The manager later served 2 glasses of fine Prosecco and was extremely friendly to me in English.

I love it here in Ticino.
Swiss Germans behave appalling when they are outside Switzerland*

I was at one of those motorway toll booths the other day in Italy and although people tried to form orderly queues, the Swiss-Germans just drove up to the front and tried to force their way in.

I looked across at an elderly Italian man in the next queue and he just threw his arms in the air with a "What can we do with that behaviour?" look. We both then laughed.

I know Italians do this too but this was pissing everyone off.

Some of the road rage by the Swiss-Germans was pretty entertaining too and had everyone laughing. I wish I had videoed it.

Can I get a car sticker for my car that says "Only the car is Swiss-German and not the occupants?"


*caveat: unlike some British who are worse but no one pretends otherwise.
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Old 10.08.2021, 19:56
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Swiss Germans behave appalling when they are outside Switzerland*
I want to make a new thread about how Swiss are terrible at driving outside of Switzerland.

I've been frequent recently on A9/A1/A14 between Lugano/Tuscany/Misano and in 90% of times when I see a Swiss registered car, its being driven by a dick. They always drive either in fast or middle, never in slow lanes. Most of them are slow and even in fast lane they are afraid of overtaking middle lane vehicles. There are few fast fellas, obviously they don't care about speed limits when outside of CH, but inside they are 'model citizens'.

I've read many horror stories about how it is difficult to get a driving license in CH, but looks like training level is extremely poor.

I haven't seen Swiss jumping the queues yet, but they are extremely not happy when you overtake them on inside after politely hanging behind them for few mins. They will flash/beep you, but keep doing same speed in fast lane as middle one.
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Re: Worst summer ever?

We all have short memories. 2016 was worse.
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Old 10.08.2021, 21:39
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I want to make a new thread about how Swiss are terrible at driving outside of Switzerland.
They are probably foreigners in Swiss cars.

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I want to make a new thread about how Swiss are terrible at driving outside of Switzerland.

I've been frequent recently on A9/A1/A14 between Lugano/Tuscany/Misano and in 90% of times when I see a Swiss registered car, its being driven by a dick. They always drive either in fast or middle, never in slow lanes. Most of them are slow and even in fast lane they are afraid of overtaking middle lane vehicles. There are few fast fellas, obviously they don't care about speed limits when outside of CH, but inside they are 'model citizens'.

I've read many horror stories about how it is difficult to get a driving license in CH, but looks like training level is extremely poor.

I haven't seen Swiss jumping the queues yet, but they are extremely not happy when you overtake them on inside after politely hanging behind them for few mins. They will flash/beep you, but keep doing same speed in fast lane as middle one.
The opinions on driving of someone who calls them “slow” and “fast” lanes are null and void.
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Old 10.08.2021, 21:59
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They are probably foreigners in Swiss cars.

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nah, 99% swiss.

forgot to mention, even when slow lane is free in 90% of cases in my experience a Swiss number-plated car will be driving in the middle.
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It’s now too hot.
I couldn't agree more. Where's the bloody manager when you need him?
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