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Old 07.09.2021, 14:14
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Axa, again you are not connecting the dots correctly.

We can all accept rules -in extremis- ... but once that's over, no one has the right to ask me to wear a plastic wrapper on my nose-mouth, to cover my head in niqab, to wear a bandana or a sock all over my head.

I was trying to explain you how for something to become rule first will need to be discussed and then

NotallThere and Axa, since you respect the rules ...

What would you do in this scenario:

You board on a plane, with a 1y old baby or 2y old.. and they have to wear a mask as well. But, the baby does not respect the rule, jitters , takes off the mask and the plane can not take off .
You're asked either to tighten the mask on the baby's face or leave the plane.

What will you do ?
In that specific case, pretend to follow the rules in the same way the driving speed limit is respected

Back to Earth, where are masks asked to 1 year olds?
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Old 07.09.2021, 14:16
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Sticking to the rules for the sake of sticking to the rules?

Well, it's Switzerland. People complain about noise, if the dog barks more than 1 time per hour, if the grass is not properly cut, but don't cut it on a Sunday, no paper in carton recycling.....

These days it's covid19 Switzerland, but once it ends we go back to normal Switzerland and it's not thaaaaat different..The only thing possible to do here is to master the rules to know the way around them. Direct confrontation with them is not really and option. There are places where that approach is possible, not much around here.
One of the reasons that Switzerland works so well as a society is that people accept the rules because they understand their necessity and support them.

People don't cut their grass on a Sunday morning because they don't want their neigbours to do that either. People tell you off for not cleaning the communal washing machine because they themselves want it to be clean.

COVID rules are largely opaque and don't make much sense. And people who do question them are told they are stupid and need to move with the crowd. This is why so many people are openly or covetly resisting. In the above case we have some individuals who obviously managed to get through check-in and airport security without a mask, managed to get through boarding without a mask. So obviously none of the people there cared. They managed to sit down on the plane without a mask. But then the captain of the plane had to personally act like a pedant and delay the plane and turn back on the taxiway (just imagine doing that in a busy airport like Zurich) and then ask control to give him a gate. The text even says he called the police himself after docking. This just shows how little the rest of everybody was even on board with his one man heroism.

Not very long ago in certain countries they would have given him a very thin plaque of unpolished aluminium with a picture of Lenin embossed on it and called him a hero in the newspaper while everybody else would have mocked him behind his back and spat in his sandwiches.

A concept that is not entirely off topic in times of COVID.

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Old 07.09.2021, 14:31
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One of the reasons that Switzerland works so well as a society is that people accept the rules because they understand their necessity and support them.

People don't cut their grass on a Sunday morning because they don't want their neigbours to do that either. People tell you off for not cleaning the communal washing machine because they themselves want it to be clean.

COVID rules are largely opaque and don't make much sense. And people who do question them are told they are stupid and need to move with the crowd. This is why so many people are openly or covetly resisting. In the above case we have some individuals who obviously managed to get through check-in and airport security without a mask, managed to get through boarding without a mask. So obviously none of the people there cared. They managed to sit down on the plane without a mask. But then the captain of the plane had to personally act like a pedant and delay the plane and turn back on the taxiway (just imagine doing that in a busy airport like Zurich) and then ask control to give him a gate. The text even says he called the police himself after docking. This just shows how little the rest of everybody was even on board with his one man heroism.

Not very long ago in certain countries they would have given him a plaque of unpolished aluminium with a picture of Lenin embossed on it and called him a hero in the newspaper while everybody else would have mocked him behind his back.
Don't know the specific procedures of Swiss to deal with unruly passengers. But in general, air carriers interrupt a flight when there's an unruly passenger whatever the cause is. If the captain acted like a pedant outside the company procedures, we'll know about it because certainly a lot of money was lost.

Not wearing the mask was not the problem, they even have some spare masks. It was not following instructions from the crew. Aboard a plane is not the optimal place to fight for freedom. Read terms and conditions before flying commercial next time. You give up the freedom of speech/expression/clothing, the freedom from being searched, the freedom to smoke, the freedom to drink up to your heart's desire, and the freedom to live your life without showering.
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Old 07.09.2021, 14:38
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Sticking to the rules for the sake of sticking to the rules? .
When the rules are a minor inconvenience, then why not - especially when not abiding by them can be a major personal inconvenience. Count the cost.

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Aboard a plane is not the optimal place to fight for freedom. Read terms and conditions before flying commercial next time.
Indeed. Don't get into an arse kicking contest with a centipede.

I'm no stickler for rules. I don't sweat the small stuff - and mask wearing is small stuff. What a stupid thing to be thrown of an aircraft for! Pathetic.
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Old 07.09.2021, 15:15
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Re: Abused for wearing mask on Bus!

oh Really??

when the rules are a minor inconvenience??

This is how you deduct what's right what's wrong in this corona-circo-loco?

If you find it acceptable then "hmm it's ok" and it ends there?

And the fact they ask a toddler and a baby to wear a mask, that's also acceptable (because it's not your baby so who cares) ... and this is why you couldn't answer my question?

In fact you accept to comply and dont even ask yourself the question "hmm why they ask us to respect this rule" ?? "oh it's because of covid that's why we need to wear masks in order to be safe" !!

And here's the catch... and you can see the degree to which you've been played and formated to obey

Us people who refuse to obey and accept this as a rule because we know it's not about the -virus- -safety- is the fact , that:

once you have your mask on, when the green light will flash, well at that moment you can start to EAT. and Drink. and you can eat and drink with that mouth and talk and laugh and cough as long as you drink and eat. (seems how the virus at those very moments stops and wont infect anyone around.)

When the button goes red , it's over you need to put your muzzle on and keep the virus in your mouth and nose.

If you cant see how because of this it's not about a virus and safety but some obedience training then just bend and obey.

What I usually tell people that think this way , is how :

That means, you havent learned anything from the books you read, history, burning witches in the middle of the village, throwing children in gaol because they stole an egg..holocaust, slavery-racism... and so on .. stay safe in that rabbit hole, muzzled for your own good and hope there will be brave people who will fight for your liberty. because obviously you wont.
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Old 07.09.2021, 15:31
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If you cant see how because of this it's not about a virus and safety but some obedience training then just bend and obey.

What I usually tell people that think this way , is how :

That means, you havent learned anything from the books you read, history, burning witches in the middle of the village, throwing children in gaol because they stole an egg..holocaust, slavery-racism... and so on .. stay safe in that rabbit hole, muzzled for your own good and hope there will be brave people who
will fight for your liberty. because obviously you wont.
I'm not bending and obeying those delicate gentlemen that write books for a living

Hey, you should recognize the irony in founding rebellion in books. It lacks charisma, it's not coming from a position of power, scribes have never lead a revolt.

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Old 07.09.2021, 15:40
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Re: Abused for wearing mask on Bus!

I posted this many months ago, time to repost it! OP you can print and hand it to any mask free friends that you find on public transport

I just don't care any more. I wear my mask and hope for the best!

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Old 07.09.2021, 16:06
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It's frightening NotAllther ...

since you dont like and accept any intelligent thinking from us here (few though) ... will some quotes from ppl like Einstein do ??

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
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Poor Einstein must have just turned in his grave.

Well, it was Swiss (airline), used to be a Swiss airline (basically German now). A plane full of passengers wearing masks, looks like they somehow agreed on wearing masks in there. 3 (or 4? who cares) people demonstratively refused to do so. Looks to me that according to Swiss politics and decision making the verdict was clear.

Unlike public transport an airline is not obliged to transport passengers.
Had Swiss taken off and there would have been new covid cases after, contaminated on this flight guess who would have been demanded to pay up/lost it's reputation/been pulled through the mud for FB-years-to-come?

Seriously, that's the revolutionists the 21st century has on offer? roflmao.
Next time the REAL brave ones will refuse to fasten their seat-belt. So impressive.
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Seriously, that's the revolutionists the 21st century has on offer? roflmao.
Next time the REAL brave ones will refuse to fasten their seat-belt. So impressive.
No - they have a little tantrum each time they are asked to do something that will protect others. Or a meltdown in the supermarket. Like the bunch of Billy-No-Mates that they are.
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Old 07.09.2021, 16:27
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Seriously, that's the revolutionists the 21st century has on offer? roflmao.
Next time the REAL brave ones will refuse to fasten their seat-belt. So impressive.
You're joking but revolutionaries and independent thinkers of the 21st century refuse to eat their greens and stick it to the man by only eating meat. The implications of mothers telling children to eat their greens and what happens 10 years later is just fun
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I'm not bending and obeying those delicate gentlemen that write books for a living

Hey, you should recognize the irony in founding rebellion in books. It lacks charisma, it's not coming from a position of power, scribes have never lead a revolt.
Sooo not true. Writer and philo Václav Havel lead our Velvet Revolution from the underground movement, got rid off a pathetic regime and Russian occupants and became a president of the country. So.

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You're joking but revolutionaries and independent thinkers of the 21st century refuse to eat their greens and stick it to the man by only eating meat. The implications of mothers telling children to eat their greens and what happens 10 years later is just fun
I take it that the modern day revolutionaries and rebels stick it to the man by owning nothing and meditating 12hrs a day until they reach their collective nirvana. I don't think they care for masks, people who don't leave their homes usually don't.
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Old 07.09.2021, 17:35
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Sooo not true. Writer and philo Václav Havel lead our Velvet Revolution from the underground movement, got rid off a pathetic regime and Russian occupants and became a president of the country. So.
Interesting story, have to read about this

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...Or a meltdown in the supermarket...
There was a video did the rounds of a woman having a meltdown in a Walmart after being asked to wear a mask. There was an article in The Times later, with an interview with her. It seems that she'd gone down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, and her sanity had gone with it. After her meltdown, she spent some time in a psychiatric facility. She now realises that her obsession with conspiracy theories compromised her mental well being, and eventually sent her psychotic and paranoid.

She's doing fine now. And wears masks in supermarkets quite happily.
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Us people who refuse to obey and accept this as a rule because we know it's not about the -virus- -safety- ...<some twaddle about eating and drinking>
Hmm. Some weird conspiracy to keep the populace docile

or

Wear a mask when you are eating and drinking to minimise risk to others. The logic seems clear.


Sorry all. The second one isn't an option. Because someone just know it!. If someone just know it, that's a killer argument. It must be true then. Cos they just knows it.
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And wears masks in supermarkets quite happily.
I never saw a problem.

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Wear a mask when you are eating and drinking to minimise risk to others. The logic seems clear.

Sorry all. The second one isn't an option. Because someone just know it!. If someone just know it, that's a killer argument. It must be true then. Cos they just knows it.

You're criticising something you did yourself in this very post - not posting anything to back-up your claim.


You didn't post any logic about the benefits of mask-wearing, so what exactly seems clear?
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Interesting story, have to read about this
Don't read about him but read him. He's great, absurd.

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Don't read about him but read him. He's great, absurd.
Is there some risk that I get upset about current conditions by reading him and get motivated to take down the system?
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I saw a lady wearing a mesh mask. She looked like a YT influencer, all poodled up
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I never saw a problem.

To follow Talk To You Later's image, your nuts are showing.
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