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Old 08.09.2021, 12:15
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No, I think you are delusional for equating Rosa Parks, a female campaigner against racial equality in the USA, to delusional people not wearing masks on public transport during a pandemic. To even make this link it shows that you have lost the plot and are of the exact kind of delusionals I am referring to.
Unfortunately, NO. Totally wrong. Which is shameful for someone that's past the adolescent age.

What they tried to tell you with that example is:

Someone back then also made it legal, lawful, RULE is a rule, to discriminate, segregate people . Sell them, lynch them, do medical testing on them ...

What your behaviour and opinions display here is how you'd be happily the one WHO segregates, discriminates, proudly manifests how they COMPLY and they're the GOOD ones, thinks how they're superior because they are humble and submissive to their lords and overlords... And grateful how their lords will give them the right and the honor to spit, discriminate, hunt the 'bad' ones.

Just like now you're the one who is hunting a nose poking out of the plastic blue wrapper back then you'd be the one who's reporting the guy who sold an icecream to Rosa Parks (but she wasnt allowed to buy one) , or a woman whose knees would show (and that was not allowed) .

This is the truth. You and people like you just wait for the opportunity out of nothing to gain some power and importance. Nothing really means to you, logic, common sense, recognising manipulation, honor, - nothing! Because yes.. it's in human nature for the ones who are weak and miserable to get really thirsty and nasty once you feel the possibility to have some importance. Now it's your 5 min of glory.

When it comes to being banned from social media... what??? the ones who would ban Trump but have the leader of the Taliban tweet all day are to be seen as credible for something??? or the internet who CAN NOT stop child porn, child molesting videos, pedophiles network for exchanching child porn,(beceause oh, it's hard to find their sites, illegal to cut off their connections etc) we are suppose to respect and see as credible ??

Just go and hide behind the trash bin together with the muzzle on your nose baby and come back here once you fix your warped view of reality.

ps: where's marton now to laugh and fix this Freudian slip "equating Rosa Parks, a female campaigner against racial equality"
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Old 08.09.2021, 12:35
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Airlines like Swiss are totally concerned about their reputation .

I was myself once involved in a minor incident in which in hindsight I admit they were right and I was wrong. They first came on totally inflexible and threatened the sky and worse , but as soon as I started pushing back on social media and other people started reacting they were falling over themselves to apologize and I even got 400 CHF .

People in that industry don’t have balls . If they did they would be hitting hard at the government for such destructive and pointless restrictions . Instead they act like chameleons and bend to the path of least resistance .
I don't like this post.

So you went on FB, giving them a bad reputation they did not deserve.
Then you took the Fr. 400.00 you were not entitled to (because hey! Swiss is richt and I only make 120K/year).
From now on I'm guessing:
  • You bragged on FB how you "showed them" and made them pay.
  • You never apologized to Swiss

And now you bash them for how stupid they are, caring about their reputation and paying off some silly git.

Why would they be <<hitting hard at the government for such destructive and pointless restrictions>>. They're into transport, not politics. Not to mention Swiss belongs to Lufthansa now, a German company and believe me, we would not be amused if Germans started to interfere with Swiss politics.
Actually that phrasing was wrong: We are not amused everytime Germany tries to interfere with Swiss politics.
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Old 08.09.2021, 12:43
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I agree. But that's theory. In reality (and I know from a few pilots) the job is almost gone - so many are desperately waiting for a collegue pilot to make one single mistake these days. Like going against the directives and having a whole crew and a plane full of passangers as witnesses.
Interesting insight. The pilot might have been between a rock and hard place after other passengers saw it and cabin crew notified about the incident. Do nothing, risk a disciplinary sanction and who knows if flying again soon. Be an unreasonable idiot, but it's the passengers' heads, not his. So, decision-making is constrained by a lot of things we ignore.
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No, I think you are delusional for equating Rosa Parks, a female campaigner against racial equality in the USA, to people not wearing masks on public transport during a pandemic. To even attempt to make this link it shows that you have lost the plot and are of the exact kind of misguided folk I am referring to.

You, TonyClifton, terrifisch, FairDinkum, Cliinimuus, Svenca et al are the forums highly vocal minority of delusional and disturbed (to varying degrees) individuals who would be (and may already have been) banned from other forms of social media and (if they already aren't) socially ostracised for expressing this kind of anti-mask, anti-vax and anti-scientific misinformation. EF seem to have given this hardcore subset of misguided folks a home and platform that allows them to go to town and spend all day plastering the forum with all of the political and medical conspiracy and anti-government nonsense they have convinced themselves is true. Lets see how long it can last.

Kindly explain how I am anti-mask or anti-vax or anti-scientific.


I posted the summary below elsewhere recently, and I'm consistent across my posts in emphasising all of this, as well as doing real-life stuff like advocating and donating money, time, energy and resources to this stuff I support in the list (at the expense of many other things I could also focus on). I look forward to seeing honourable posters from any side of the argument call you out for the lies above you've posted about me, because my position is neutral, and my posts back that up.



How many people here do you believe do anything beyond posting outrage on the internet, and you go after someone actually doing stuff to help in real life? Do you do anything more than that?

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Here's some of the stuff I am focused on:
  1. Each person having access to the choice of whether to receive the vaccination, or not (many of our most needy don't even have the choice)
  2. Each person deciding for herself or himself what she or he feels comfortable doing right now - choosing to receive the injection, or to wait (because the COVID injection is far too new to establish the in/significance of it)
  3. That a person deciding she or he doesn't yet feel comfortable receiving the vaccination doesn't suffer discrimination, isn't subject to mistruths being spread about her or him, isn't ostracised from attending events, nor from going out and about as they please, nor from going to their workplace
  4. That voluntary services receive more money, premises and resources, as services are so depleted by the mandatory COVID rules, and that has a direct correlation to more women and children having to stay in abusive, dangerous homes
  5. Each person choosing whether to wear a mask, or not, wherever they are
  6. Each person having access to testing (many of our most needy don't even have access to tests)
  7. All children attending school in-person, because the safeguarding of children requires mandatory reporters to be able to check kids are ok away from their homes and parents
  8. Each person having access to services and support to help with loneliness, mental health, isolation, and the corrosive effects of scaremongering and shaming
  9. Each person focusing on the things they can affect that can help with health outcomes - exercise, diet, sleep, restricting use of electronic gadgets, chatting to strangers, volunteering
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Old 08.09.2021, 14:28
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Re: Abused for wearing mask on Bus!

Let's see now. Anyone who thinks that having to wear mask on public transport is not a serious issue threatening our freedom, is, in fact, a dedicated blind rule follower of their (probably lizard) overlords.

Being required to wear masks under certain conditions, is serious infringement of human rights. and equivalent to segregation, Jim Crow laws and apartheid.

I'm just waiting for mask refusers to have dogs set on them, to be systematically beaten up, to have their homes burned down and places of work and worship burned down, and the MLK of mask wearers to be assassinated.

Because of course, segregation and apartheid were exactly as morally wrong as require mask wearing on public transport.

I swear, you couldn't make up this kind of idiotic stupidity. And what, Chuff* should be ashamed?




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Kindly explain how I am anti-mask or anti-vax or anti-scientific.
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...isn't ostracised from attending events, nor from going out and about as they please, nor from going to their workplace
Unscientific. Inaccurate, since for most purposes, a recent test certificate is a suitable alternative to a double vax certificate.
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Unscientific.

But you're right on the social aspects. So well done.
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Interesting insight. The pilot might have been between a rock and hard place after other passengers saw it and cabin crew notified about the incident. Do nothing, risk a disciplinary sanction and who knows if flying again soon. Be an unreasonable idiot, but it's the passengers' heads, not his. So, decision-making is constrained by a lot of things we ignore.
The 4 passengers were being unreasonable idiots. HTH, BIFDI.
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Old 08.09.2021, 14:49
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Interesting insight. The pilot might have been between a rock and hard place after other passengers saw it and cabin crew notified about the incident. Do nothing, risk a disciplinary sanction and who knows if flying again soon. Be an unreasonable idiot, but it's the passengers' heads, not his. So, decision-making is constrained by a lot of things we ignore.
I think this comes down to fear and obedience.

On the EF we hear a lot of moaning about the Swiss living by the rule back in all aspects of their existence.

But that's not really my impression. I work for a big international engineering company and from what I hear from customers is that they like to get Swiss field end maintenance engineers over those from several other countries where we have service hubs (and which I won't name those countries now because its not relevant). The story I hear again and again is that other engineers spend hours on the phone asking their boss for permission to do this and that because they are shit scared of being fired if they get it wrong, whereas the Swiss guys have an attitude of doing what they believe is right, and if need be, apologizing later. So maybe they end up fixing more parts and thus engendering more costs than strictly necessary, but the net result is a satisfied customer and a machine that won't break down again for quite a while. Which seeing the customer has a maintenance contract, may actually come out cheaper for us in the long run.

But here we have a situation where there were four guys. Check-in didn't notice they weren't wearing masks. Security didn't notice they weren't wearing masks. The gate staff didn't notice either and the cabin crew didn't notice apparently until after the plane had pushed back. Any reasonable pilot would have said, if none of these people have noticed the problem, then neither have I. And because I'm a good pilot and I work for a good company, I don't have to fear for my job any more than any of these others who apparently didn't notice anything. But maybe these 200 other supposedly tested and vaccinated passengers on the plane would appreciate not being delayed by an hour, not to mention those on all subsequent flights today.
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Re: Abused for wearing mask on Bus!

Also for Chuff, from a recent post of mine. Hopefully, given how selfishly each country is approaching the handling of COVID, it will be enough info for you to determine who paid for this, too (hint the person you're daring to lie about above):
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I went to 2 surrounding countries in recent times to support 2 needy people who wanted the injection to get it. The contrast was stark. The in-country teams bent over backwards to make sure these citizens got access to the vaccine of their choosing, to come to us, to make the atmosphere joyous (lots of laughter and light-hearted goodwill extended, no fear-mongering, neutral in tone and intent as they answered questions), and we had a chat about all the ways in which they're making sure as many citizens as possible have access to a vaccine (heartbreaking for me in light of all our frustrations here in the voluntary sector, in making next-to-no progress in removing access barriers blocking some of our most needy from even having the choice).
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Maybe you think Rosa Parks was a misguided delusional too ?
Comparing Rosa Parks to people choosing to not wear a mask on public transport boggles the mind. |
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Comparing Rosa Parks to people choosing to not wear a mask on public transport boggles the mind. |

The poster didn't. You may not like what they posted, but they didn't do what you claim.


The problem is the absolute in rhetoric akin to:
"All people must follow rules, rules are great, and people who follow rules are a more evolved species"


The naivety in posting that is we can offer endless examples where rule-following was the wrong and immoral thing to do, and rule-breakers provided a valuable, sometimes life-saving service, that we all benefit from.


Fault the logic posted, if you must fault anything, because it's inevitably going to be annihilated now with real-life examples (of which Rosa is 1 amongst billions).
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Old 08.09.2021, 15:59
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The poster didn't. You may not like what they posted, but they didn't do what you claim.


The problem is the absolute in rhetoric akin to:
"All people must follow rules, rules are great, and people who follow rules are a more evolved species"


The naivety in posting that is we can offer endless examples where rule-following was the wrong and immoral thing to do, and rule-breakers provided a valuable, sometimes life-saving service, that we all benefit from.


Fault the logic posted, if you must fault anything, because it's inevitably going to be annihilated now with real-life examples (of which Rosa is 1 amongst billions).
I don’t agree. But thank you for your consideration.
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Old 08.09.2021, 16:03
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The 1955-Chuff definitely did.
The 2021-Chuff of course is woke and would never ..... as it's not en vogue.
The 2050-Chuff .... well, we'll find out then what that Chuff will vehemently and aggressively defend then. I'm sure EF will still exist but we will have to keep track of his handle-changing habit if we want to do a proper statistics.
A+ for honesty.

I bet most people alive today live in the delusion that they would have had the same attitude about it all then as they do now.
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Old 08.09.2021, 16:06
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I think this comes down to fear and obedience.

On the EF we hear a lot of moaning about the Swiss living by the rule back in all aspects of their existence.

But that's not really my impression. I work for a big international engineering company and from what I hear from customers is that they like to get Swiss field end maintenance engineers over those from several other countries where we have service hubs (and which I won't name those countries now because its not relevant). The story I hear again and again is that other engineers spend hours on the phone asking their boss for permission to do this and that because they are shit scared of being fired if they get it wrong, whereas the Swiss guys have an attitude of doing what they believe is right, and if need be, apologizing later. So maybe they end up fixing more parts and thus engendering more costs than strictly necessary, but the net result is a satisfied customer and a machine that won't break down again for quite a while. Which seeing the customer has a maintenance contract, may actually come out cheaper for us in the long run.

But here we have a situation where there were four guys. Check-in didn't notice they weren't wearing masks. Security didn't notice they weren't wearing masks. The gate staff didn't notice either and the cabin crew didn't notice apparently until after the plane had pushed back. Any reasonable pilot would have said, if none of these people have noticed the problem, then neither have I. And because I'm a good pilot and I work for a good company, I don't have to fear for my job any more than any of these others who apparently didn't notice anything. But maybe these 200 other supposedly tested and vaccinated passengers on the plane would appreciate not being delayed by an hour, not to mention those on all subsequent flights today.
Where is your evidence they did not wear masks at checkin etc.?
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From next week you'll need a Covid certificate to get into various places.

A minor inconvenience if it means a lockdown or other restrictions can be avoided.
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"All people must follow rules, rules are great, and people who follow rules are a more evolved species"
Oh look strawman argument. Despite repeated claims of "mask refusers", no "mask wearer" has said that.

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Of course we can. But you're make a second logical fallacy. The fact that there are rules that it is absolutely proper, in some circumstances, to break good and hard, doesn't mean that "wear a mask" is one of them.

Our contention has been, all along that refusing to wear a mask on public transport falls into the "being a silly arse" group. It's not brave. It's not big. It's not clever. It's not "fighting fascism". It's not heroic. It's not sticking it to the man It's daft, childish, little rebellion. And utterly pathetic.
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Old 08.09.2021, 16:11
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Unruly is being drunk or offensive. Unruly is not sitting in your seat quiety not wearing a mask in anticipation of the miniature Swiss Gipfeli.

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So obviously the plane had already pushed back and was taxiing.

by this point the staff have already been through the plane and visually checked all the passengers and sat down in the jumper seats. Why wait until this point to decide to expel four inappropriately clothed individuals?

Can you even imagine the havoc of a plane turning around 180 degrees on the taxiway, or the sort of idiot who would do such a thing?
How do you know that they did not remove their masks while the plane was taxiing
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Comparing Rosa Parks to people choosing to not wear a mask on public transport boggles the mind. |
It would boggle the mind, if it were not one in a long line of laughable things posted by amogles in any kind of thread where the government tells him to do things that he doesn't want to do, upon which time he acts like he represents the oppressed legions of mankind.

Thankfully with the new measures in place starting next week, we are now at least to some degree protected from these forum nuts.
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Can you even imagine the havoc of a plane turning around 180 degrees on the taxiway, or the sort of idiot who would do such a thing?
My word, you are special, aren't you.

Pilot to control tower:
We've got passenger disruption in the cabin. Aborting take off.
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Got that. Please taxi to ...

Yep. Absolute havoc. I surprised that there weren't multiple crashes and hundreds killed as a result.
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A+ for honesty.

I bet most people alive today live in the delusion that they would have had the same attitude about it all then as they do now.
Thankfully, i know a fair number of people who, when exposed to new information, update their priors. The trick, of course, is to evaluate the veracity of new information.
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