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Old 10.09.2021, 22:20
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

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Re Banning: Alright, so there you have it.


Re Covid: I'm not here to discuss semantics but it is based on the same form of virus. Whether more malignant or less is debatable but that's not for me to decide or determine.
The difference between influenza and COVID-19 is in their causative agents. Influenza viruses belong to a virus family known as Orthomyxoviridae.
These express two surface antigens (foreign proteins)—hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N).

COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2, which is classified in the family Coronaviridae.
The surface of SARS-CoV-2 does not have these antigens. Rather its outer surface is studded with glycoprotein spikes, which give such viruses a crownlike, or coronal, appearance.
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olygirl, what do you want? A change to the mod team? People banned? The Covid thread closed?

You're clearly not happy, but you appear to have many different gripes. What is it that you want to make this forum better for you?
To be fair, it's not on to repeatedly accuse her of starting the Reddit thread without evidence and refusing to back down or apologise. That's on the verge of name calling and bullying.

On this I agree with Olygirl.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:22
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I'm asking you kindly to relax, logout and take a break for a day or so.
Your biases are affecting your mod decisions, LiB. Those posters you agree with are allowed a free ride while those who have been publicly accused of things they did not do are asked to relax.

I wonder if I'm next on your list of banned posters?
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:23
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

I believe LiB edited her post, though I am not 100% sure of this.

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She was heated in the moment (hey that happens to all of us) and, in reflection, edited her post. I don't know why, after her edit she should warrant a ban?
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:23
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To be fair, it's not on to repeatedly accuse her of starting the Reddit thread without evidence and refusing to back down or apologise. That's on the verge of name calling and bullying.

On this I agree with Olygirl.
I agree, that's really not on.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:25
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I'm asking you kindly to relax, logout and take a break for a day or so.
I hope you give the same warning to others. Can't see it though.
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That is what I thought in the beginning. Now I think it brings to light some good points as to how people are thinking this forum should be run. We should try to not take the same old arguments here from other threads, but see this as a reminder to try to uphold civilized debate. I just don't agree with the alleged division into camps, and while this may appear so in the Covid thread, these lines are breaking when looking at other topics.
The problem is that some of "one side" of this discussion (olygirl is the obvious example here) does not wish the other side be allowed to voice their opinion, deeming it misinformation and manipulative.

Even though "the other side" I believe exclusively is fine with them voicing their opinion even though they see that as misinformation and manipulation.

If one side wants to silence the other side there will never be room for debate.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:27
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Your biases are affecting your mod decisions, LiB. Those posters you agree with are allowed a free ride while those who have been publicly accused of things they did not do are asked to relax.

I wonder if I'm next on your list of banned posters?
My list of banned posters? I believe that you have entirely too much time on your hands to ponder about such futile matters.

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I believe LiB edited her post, though I am not 100% sure of this.
I removed the offending words.
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

For me the dividing line is

a) Tony Cliftons on one end who are polite, non-personal and articulate who may post controversial opinions that are based on a defensible interpretation of data - fine

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b) those who go into personal attacks, rambling diatribes, express obvious conspiracy theories and demonstrable falsehoods and are generally trollish - not fine
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:31
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Anyway, two can play at that game folks, the email address is:

ben.mcpartland@thelocal.com

Let him know how good this place is!
Bump, seriously folks, make sure you write to this guy.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:32
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

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The problem is that some of "one side" of this discussion (olygirl is the obvious example here) does not wish the other side be allowed to voice their opinion, deeming it misinformation and manipulative.

Even though "the other side" I believe exclusively is fine with them voicing their opinion even though they see that as misinformation and manipulation.

If one side wants to silence the other side there will never be room for debate.

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Switzerland is quite divided on the government's recent measures to control Covid, especially with the urgency of introducing certificate checks at restaurants, schools, etc. Even I have to agree they should have implemented the newest regulations at least 7 days after announcing it. The Covid thread should reflect various opinions BUT it should not become a safe haven for anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists who willfully ignore the law.
I wrote the above post a few pages back. Please don't accuse me of not allowing a variety of opinions because that's untrue. I understand why some people don't want to be vaccinated even though I don't agree with their reasons. However, spreading misinformation needs to be taken seriously.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:36
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

Marton,


All coronaviruses is estimated to have existed as recently as 8000 BCE, although some models place the common ancestor as far back as 55 million years or more, implying long term coevolution with bat and avian species.

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 1 (SARS-CoV-1 or SARS-CoV)[2] is a strain of coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)

Never did hurt humanity in some significant way in spite of the outbrak in 2003.


On 31 December 2019, WHO was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan City, China. A novel coronavirus was identified as the cause by Chinese authorities on 7 January 2020 and was temporarily named “2019-nCoV2"

Yes it is a flu with a survival rate of 99%
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Since the Mod team changed, YOU have constantly called for banning people who YOU deem to be spreading "fake news" and misinformation. You have made it abundantly clear that you prefer the Ace1 and 22Yards regime. The only bannings that I recall in the "new regime" have been for inappropriate language.

How is that NOT an improvement? And will YOU apologize in the future to those that you wanted to be banned IF it is shown that they were correct? I sent a PM to Clinimuus with an apology for calling her/him a troll...

There are many scientists, govt spokespeople etc with differing opinions of the truth and the science. For you, or anyone, to think they have the only answers is the height of arrogance, IMO.

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I wrote the above post a few pages back. Please don't accuse me of not allowing a variety of opinions because that's untrue. I understand why some people don't want to be vaccinated even though I don't agree with their reasons. However, spreading misinformation needs to be taken seriously.
Ok I'll let your own words speak for themselves:

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By suggesting that I started or contributed to the Reddit thread, you are spreading lies and creating a conspiracy theory all based on no evidence whatsoever. These kind of posts hurt EF and you should be appropriately warned by the mods to cool it.

This is exactly what the Local editor does not want.
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I am officially asking the mods to ban you for spreading lies, conspiracies and accusing posters of things they did not do.
What I wrote stands.
Just because you believe its misinformation does not make it misinformation.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:41
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That is what I thought in the beginning. Now I think it brings to light some good points as to how people are thinking this forum should be run. We should try to not take the same old arguments here from other threads, but see this as a reminder to try to uphold civilized debate. I just don't agree with the alleged division into camps, and while this may appear so in the Covid thread, these lines are breaking when looking at other topics.

PS: That is, for the reasonable posters.
20 mins later, it is obvious that I was wrong and we are back to trench warfare. It is disgusting.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:44
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The difference between influenza and COVID-19 is in their causative agents. Influenza viruses belong to a virus family known as Orthomyxoviridae.
These express two surface antigens (foreign proteins)—hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N).

COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2, which is classified in the family Coronaviridae.
The surface of SARS-CoV-2 does not have these antigens. Rather its outer surface is studded with glycoprotein spikes, which give such viruses a crownlike, or coronal, appearance.
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Marton,


All coronaviruses is estimated to have existed as recently as 8000 BCE, although some models place the common ancestor as far back as 55 million years or more, implying long term coevolution with bat and avian species.

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 1 (SARS-CoV-1 or SARS-CoV)[2] is a strain of coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)

Never did hurt humanity in some significant way in spite of the outbrak in 2003.


On 31 December 2019, WHO was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan City, China. A novel coronavirus was identified as the cause by Chinese authorities on 7 January 2020 and was temporarily named “2019-nCoV2"

Yes it is a flu with a survival rate of 99%
Can the two of you kindly take this discussion to the Corona thread.

This thread is about something entirely different.
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Can the two of you kindly take this discussion to the Corona thread.

This thread is about something entirely different.
I agree.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:49
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

I think Schweizerzeitgeboren from reddit (the one who started the thread over there) should come to the next beers on Kennedys bar in ZH next September 29. Tried to contact the guy but his accounts has been suspended.

So, what happened on reddit? Did the guy complaining about misinformation had a meltdown? That is quite telling. The people willing to police others tend to have already a great deals of problems in their heads.

https://www.reddit.com/user/Schweizerzeitgeboren/

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Can the two of you kindly take this discussion to the Corona thread.

This thread is about something entirely different.
I was answering a question from a mod, I know how to brown nose.
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

So now there's a thread in EF discussing Reddit discussing EF.

Will there be a thread on Reddit discussing EF discussing Reddit discussing EF?
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