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Old 10.09.2021, 22:58
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

Also noticed that the reddit guy has a hard on for TonyClifton.....which I don't understand.

I don't agree with TC most of times, but as HvF mentioned, he's polite and articulate. TC only happens to have a different view of the same facts, that's all.
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Old 10.09.2021, 22:58
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So now there's a thread in EF discussing Reddit discussing EF.

Will there be a thread on Reddit discussing EF discussing Reddit discussing EF?
I refer the honourable gentleman to the INFINITE LOOP SPACE THEORY.
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:01
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

I think it is a shame that people cannot discuss and debate anymore. If you argue one side one is labelled and if you debate the other side, once again labelled.

What if you see some truth in both sides and want to have a discussion?

To me, the polarisation and name calling prevents any active discussion and both parties are guilty of this (In the US, Republicans and Democrats).

Frankly, I don't know what the answer is anymore. But I do think a viable 3rd party in the US is needed...
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:01
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So now there's a thread in EF discussing Reddit discussing EF.

Will there be a thread on Reddit discussing EF discussing Reddit discussing EF?
Far too meta for me.
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:04
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

Of course... but isn't it debate that certain EF members want to stifle? Calling for bans is just cancel culture and I think this is disgusting. Not what I want to see on EF. I can scroll past posts that I disagree with OR choose to rebut.

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20 mins later, it is obvious that I was wrong and we are back to trench warfare. It is disgusting.
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:11
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I think it is a shame that people cannot discuss and debate anymore. If you argue one side one is labelled and if you debate the other side, once again labelled.

What if you see some truth in both sides and want to have a discussion?

To me, the polarisation and name calling prevents any active discussion and both parties are guilty of this (In the US, Republicans and Democrats).

Frankly, I don't know what the answer is anymore. But I do think a viable 3rd party in the US is needed...
Not sure.

Britain used to be pretty much a two party system like the US, favoured by the FPTP electoral system. Other parties did exist and even held seats but were largely irrelevant. Today there are three major parties plus some regional ones such as the SNP plus some smaller ones who also have some weight to varying degrees such as the Greens and Plaid Cymru and the various NI parties.

But I don't think this greater political diversity has caused a more nuanced debate culture. On the contrary. I think we had better quality debates in the two or three party days.

A debate culture comes from the people you elect (and the people who elect them), not from the straight jacket and label you put them into.
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I think it is a shame that people cannot discuss and debate anymore. If you argue one side one is labelled and if you debate the other side, once again labelled.

What if you see some truth in both sides and want to have a discussion?

To me, the polarisation and name calling prevents any active discussion and both parties are guilty of this (In the US, Republicans and Democrats).

Frankly, I don't know what the answer is anymore. But I do think a viable 3rd party in the US is needed...
I fully agree. When I was (much) younger I used to take various positions when there were discussions. Also defending opinions the opposite of mine and sometimes a more extreme version of my opinion, in an attempt to learn new insides, arguments etc. It confused the hell out of people, even if I explained at the end that it wasn't my opinion. Different groups of people thought very differently of me which was quite hilarious.

People have always labeled people but nowadays it has become scarily insane. People (especially a few specific groups) can't have a debate anymore without becoming emotional and branding the opposite as one form of extremist, group or something.
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:15
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I fully agree. When I was (much) younger I used to take various positions when there were discussions. Also defending opinions the opposite of mine and sometimes a more extreme version of my opinion, in an attempt to learn new insides, arguments etc. It confused the hell out of people, even if I explained at the end that it wasn't my opinion. Different groups of people thought very differently of me which was quite hilarious.
I've done that on EF, sometimes taking a side that wasn't mine but because I thought they needed some support and I thought there were some arguments that were being overlooked, or that the winning side were getting too smug.

A lot of people don't like that sort of thing. It disturbs their OCD view of the world.
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:18
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

Wasn't there an EF member recently touting how great it is that reddit censors any opinions which go against the Official Narrative™?
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:29
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

*Edit word* me you lot are mental!

This is supposed to be a place where non-natives (see what I did there to avoid the expat/immigrant thing) come for help understanding this wonderful, but at times confusing country. And at times maybe asking where to find English bacon or brown sugar. Hell sometimes we even meet up for drinks!

Maybe it's time to take a breather and remember that it's just a forum and stop worrying about perceived sleights and having the last word. Despite what you think this isn't the last battle ground between good and evil.

I try to post only on topics where I think I can help or where I need help. I hope that's where my posts broadly fall. Being an opinionated prick on either side of an argument falls into neither category. I save that for real life.

PS as the reasonable guy in the middle, it does seem that only one side of the debate is trying to shut it down. If that sentence makes you angry, it's time to reflect.

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Old 10.09.2021, 23:35
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

So team frock are waving their frocks to dry on Reddit?
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Old 10.09.2021, 23:37
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

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Ace1 did exactly that to me. He kept closing my threads when I was asking for explanations why certain members were banned who were not breaking any obvious rules, he neg repped me constantly and deleted a lot of stuff with no explanation.

He did say on his way out that the decision to demod him was "death to the forum" yet EF seems to be more popular than ever
You wanna know how I finally left. I was banned for a couple of days for some non-event. I’d had enough at that point (I’d already opened a thread complaining about the moderation), just wanted to leave. No way of contacting the mods when banned so I opened another account clearly in my name just to ask for my account to be deleted only to have my ban extended by a month!
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... The only bannings that I recall in the "new regime" have been for inappropriate language. ..
Incorrect.
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

…when someone call me antivaxxer or conspiracy theorist, I just show them this:
…The tobacco epidemic is one of the biggest public health threats the world has ever faced, killing more than 8 million people a year around the world. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke...see link from same organization that call COVID an pandemic: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...detail/tobacco...
how on earth not to belief in tobacco cartel conspiracy?...how something that killing more than COVID annually is called epidemic, and COVID that killing less pandemic...about breaking the laws: laws are created for pour(to be obedient) history proved many times this, I can provide infinite examples...time is changed, but ruling class is adapting, initiating different methods to subdue...
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Re: EF is being discussed on Reddit

I did not claim anything other than what I remember. Care to elaborate?

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I did not claim anything other than what I remember. Care to elaborate?
There was a recent ban for something other than foul language.
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Old 11.09.2021, 00:48
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Thanks for the clarification... If you are going to refute something, come back with a bit more.

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So now there's a thread in EF discussing Reddit discussing EF.

Will there be a thread on Reddit discussing EF discussing Reddit discussing EF?
This reminded me of Mani Matter's visit to the barber:
https://youtu.be/5qjYX1wni-o
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I don't agree with TC most of times, but as HvF mentioned, he's polite and articulate. TC only happens to have a different view of the same facts, that's all.
If pasting stuff wholesale from alt-right websites is a measure of articulate, sure.
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Wasn't there an EF member recently touting how great it is that reddit censors any opinions which go against the Official Narrative™ are equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre?
FTFY.

But no, I don't recall such an EF member. Not saying there isn't one, but I must have missed that post.

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