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Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

My rental is in a residential area in the old city. Normally, there are also shops around but it seems also a producer which started to delivery goods at 4 AM each day starting sometimes even a bit earlier then 4AM.

Every morning at 4AM I am waking by transport vehicles coming and going, people loading stuff, sometimes speaking without any consideration. The fact that there is an old street with packed old buildings also seems to amplify these noises. It's not a continuous flow but there are like 4-5 transports which all come, load and go between 4AM-5.30AM and I am waken up every night so I started to be sleep deprived.

Which is the most efficient way to deal with it? Submitting a complaint to Police would be addressed? I mean I understand they want to optimize their commercial delivery times but even airplanes cannot fly at whatever hour they want during the night.
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Yeah, if you want your ears to become a mushroom farm. OP, try a white noise generator?
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I am using them but still I hear the noises. I need to use those, close all windows, put an sleeping leg over my head and then seems manageable. The problem is that I cannot sleep al night like this so invariable at 4AM I am awaken by the noises.

So, it seems the root cause might be adressed especially since I see lights and noises turn up around in the apartments which means I am not the only one whose sleep is interrupted by this night shift commercial activity.
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Old 24.11.2021, 14:29
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My rental is in a residential area in the old city. Normally, there are also shops around but it seems also a producer which started to delivery goods at 4 AM each day starting sometimes even a bit earlier then 4AM.
You do appreciate that your street could be halfway through the driver's delivery round?
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You do appreciate that your street could be halfway through the driver's delivery round?
It's not a single transport. There are like 2-3 commercial vehicles coming, loading and leaving. Each load takes like 15 minutes and then the next transport comes. So, it's not a single car but an organised flow of cars coming and going.

I realize it must be a really profitable activity to deliver right from the old center all those transports at the expense of residents being awake for around one hour between 4-5 AM but we also have jobs which expect we are fully awake for 8-10 hours.

My question is regarding the law and how to get it respected and enforced.
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My rental is in a residential area in the old city. Normally, there are also shops around but it seems also a producer which started to delivery goods at 4 AM each day starting sometimes even a bit earlier then 4AM.

Every morning at 4AM I am waking by transport vehicles coming and going, people loading stuff, sometimes speaking without any consideration. The fact that there is an old street with packed old buildings also seems to amplify these noises. It's not a continuous flow but there are like 4-5 transports which all come, load and go between 4AM-5.30AM and I am waken up every night so I started to be sleep deprived.

Which is the most efficient way to deal with it? Submitting a complaint to Police would be addressed? I mean I understand they want to optimize their commercial delivery times but even airplanes cannot fly at whatever hour they want during the night.
Sounds like you are living in the center, not a residential area. You seen to be describing a fairly substantial operation rather than a one off, so there is a fair chance it is allowed. But try a complaint and see what happens.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

Street noise in the city centres is inevitable. Just be thankful you don’t live above a pub, or a nightclub.

Talk to your neighbours.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

I live in a residential building. On the other side of my road there are few other residential buildings. I wouldn't have rented above a bar because I typically sleep at night and work during daytime.

Ok, I agree is near old centre and I am fine with casual noise sometimes. But what I described is an heavy-duty transport activity happening every night at 4AM at 10meters from residential buildings.

Does the law asking for people being able to rest between 10PM-6AM apply? Who needs to enforce it? If there are like 20-30 residential apartments affected I would imagine it should apply and be enforced.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

I think that when renting an apartment, you need to take into account the surrounding area and how that can impact your daily life. I live with church bells for example. If I need a lie-in, then I use ear-plugs.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

contact the usual people for noise (typically police)
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I think that when renting an apartment, you need to take into account the surrounding area and how that can impact your daily life. I live with church bells for example. If I need a lie-in, then I use ear-plugs.
Yes and I did. This street is during the day very quiet with one car(mainly taxi) passing each 1-2 hours max. So, what happens between 4AM-5.30AM is crazy traffic compared with day traffic. Of course, I didn't thought that being so quiet I need to come before renting to sleep on the street because at 4AM is crazy noisy.

Getting back to law anybody being aware of the residents rights and applicable law protecting people in residential apartments during the night?
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Yes and I did. This street is during the day very quiet with one car(mainly taxi) passing each 1-2 hours max. So, what happens between 4AM-5.30AM is crazy traffic compared with day traffic. Of course, I didn't thought that being so quiet I need to come before renting to sleep on the street because at 4AM is crazy noisy.

Getting back to law anybody being aware of the residents rights and applicable law protecting people in residential apartments during the night?
Every Canton, every commune, every area is going to have their own local rules. Talk to you neighbours, talk to the local police. I suspect it is all 'legal'.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

There are apartments just around the corner from me that I‘ve often wondered about why they are so expensive. It‘s on a very quiet side, and quite nice side street - but directly opposite is a Coop pronto.

They presumably stock-up each morning. I don‘t really think that you have a foot to stand on legally. I also can‘t ask for the church to stop ringing its bells every 15 minutes on my street.

But will stand corrected if there is a precedence.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

Go to bed earlier, so you are awake at 4am. Then get some exercise, deal with emails, admin etc till it's time to leave for work. Maybe you can even start work at 6am and leave back for home at 3pm?
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

You started a thread on EF so your problem is half-solved...


In case you want to actually deal with it, maybe contact house management and police, not necessarily in this order.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

Go to your local commune and explain the situation. Ask if there are any relevant ordinances, etc. If not, then you will need to put up with it or work with like minded neighbours to get it addressed.
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Re: Commercial loadings at 4AM in residential area

Successful people generally wake up early. For example, Apple CEO Tim Cook wakes up at 4:30. Those delivery people may turn you into the new CEO of Apple.
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Successful people generally wake up early. For example, Apple CEO Tim Cook wakes up at 4:30. Those delivery people may turn you into the new CEO of Apple.
Well, let's keep it on topic. My neighbour listens loud music until 10PM so I couldn't sleep before this hour anyway. And I need a decent 7 hours of sleep to function properly, not 6 hours. I don't want to be a movie star just a regular citizen living normally in one of the most civilised countries in the world.
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Yes and I did. This street is during the day very quiet with one car(mainly taxi) passing each 1-2 hours max. So, what happens between 4AM-5.30AM is crazy traffic compared with day traffic. Of course, I didn't thought that being so quiet I need to come before renting to sleep on the street because at 4AM is crazy noisy.

Getting back to law anybody being aware of the residents rights and applicable law protecting people in residential apartments during the night?
I'd say first talk to your neighbors. If anyone else is bothered, a group pushes more than an individual.

In principle the 22h00 to 6h00 is silent time, but there could be some local exceptions as others mentioned.
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