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Old 25.10.2022, 12:22
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Do I think that there is global warming? Yes.

Do I think it to be a concern? No.

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Re: Climate protests...

I am probably too old- and yet. Things have changed so much since I was a kid in the 50s, and we had masses of snow.

But my grand-kids will, I am very sure. What a legacy to leave them. No wonder so many of the young people I know say they have no intention of having kids.
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Old 25.10.2022, 13:07
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I wonder how many here heard David Attenborough's last plea a few days ago.
Wonder too how many of you have got children and grand-children?

We can argue about the methods used- but we should also try and suggest better alternatives. I did ask some time ago, and apart from more vitriol from the usual suspects- none have come forwards. Youngsters are desperate- no-one is listening to them, well, very few. And it is their future.

The interesting thing here, is that recent polls in the UK show that 67% of people say the welcome direct action that will make people think.

I do wonder how many climate change deniers we have on EF.
I suggested alternatives before. These entitled brats should go get jobs where they can actively work on reducing emissions. And yes, these jobs will be in the very industries that cause the emissions and/or in science/engineering. Nothing gets solved by behaving like assholes and actually pissing off the large sympathetic mainstream with extremist stunts.
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Old 25.10.2022, 13:25
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I wonder how many here heard David Attenborough's last plea a few days ago.
Wonder too how many of you have got children and grand-children?

We can argue about the methods used- but we should also try and suggest better alternatives. I did ask some time ago, and apart from more vitriol from the usual suspects- none have come forwards. Youngsters are desperate- no-one is listening to them, well, very few. And it is their future.

The interesting thing here, is that recent polls in the UK show that 67% of people say the welcome direct action that will make people think.

I do wonder how many climate change deniers we have on EF.
Thinking and working towards sustainable consumption are underrated activities. The root of CO2 problem is high levels of consumption.

People dropping food on paintings has a fixation with oil. The people blocking the streets in Switzerland have an irrational focus on the insulation properties of building walls and windows.

However, carbon dioxide emissions come from any human activity or consumption: food, clothing, furniture, the roof over our heads, tourism travel...even audiovisual entertainment and the pipe that delivers it home: the internet.

Just before Covid there was the flight shame popular movement. Between covid and flight shame, business travel went down. An email, a call or a video call avoid frivolous CO2 emissions. This at least makes sense.

Cars get a lot of attention, but consumption of heating oil in a household is comparable to driving 15K km a year. Lots of words are said to tell public transport is an alternative. Few words are said about alternatives for heating and 100% of households need heating while not 100% of households have a car.

So, how to minimize overall frivolous emissions of CO2? How to reduce energy waste? How to make our current level of comfort sustainable?

Renovate CH is missing the forest for the trees. Yes, building energy efficiency matters but is that the low hanging fruit of CO2 emissions in Switzerland? The authoritarian EU has made a crusade against single-use plastic. Switzerland has not followed those standards. Discussions like this should be common place instead of acting like autistic children sitting in the asphalt.
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Old 25.10.2022, 13:45
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I wonder how many here heard David Attenborough's last plea a few days ago.
Wonder too how many of you have got children and grand-children?

We can argue about the methods used- but we should also try and suggest better alternatives. I did ask some time ago, and apart from more vitriol from the usual suspects- none have come forwards. Youngsters are desperate- no-one is listening to them, well, very few. And it is their future.

The interesting thing here, is that recent polls in the UK show that 67% of people say the welcome direct action that will make people think.

I do wonder how many climate change deniers we have on EF.
I find it very funny how you point your fingers at others... at the same time were you exactly the generation and the income level in one of the richest countries which screwed the climate up. Attenborough did not say his position last week... he did so for over 50 years. You demand that people now do something for the future while you had your cake and ate it.

I bet your personal carbon footprint with all those flights and cars has the size of a medium sized village in the third world. Yet you are lecturing the rest of the forum.
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Old 25.10.2022, 13:51
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I am lecturing no-one- all I have said is that I understand why many young people are quite desperate, and turning to all sorts of forms of protest in desperation. Where have I lectured anyone?

I have taken 4 flights (well, 2 trips) in the last 10 years, and our main holiday this year was all by train to 4 countries. But this is not about me, so I would have never have mentionned this.

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Old 25.10.2022, 14:00
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I am lecturing no-one- all I have said is that I understand why many young people are quite desperate, and turning to all sorts of forms of protest in desperation. Where have I lectured anyone?
What does understanding means? Understanding their ignorance that induces them to make bad decisions? Or endorsing their actions because their assessment of situation and following actions are correct?
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Old 25.10.2022, 14:20
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I am lecturing no-one- all I have said is that I understand why many young people are quite desperate, and turning to all sorts of forms of protest in desperation. Where have I lectured anyone?
We know. And you are repeating this point over and over again. Completely ignoring the repeated reply that the protesters this thread is about are not young. The photos show them. They are easily 50... and at least the spokespeople are teachers and professors. But you keep on derailing the discussion with the same point again and again. Like an old, broken record. A bit like the protesters repeating their nonsensical demand over and over again. It's not true just because you repeated it more often.
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Old 25.10.2022, 15:05
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I have taken 4 flights in the last 10 years, and our main holiday this year was all by train to 4 countries. But this is not about me, so I would have never have mentionned this.
Of course not.
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We can argue about the methods used- but we should also try and suggest better alternatives. I did ask some time ago, and apart from more vitriol from the usual suspects- none have come forwards. Youngsters are desperate- no-one is listening to them, well, very few. And it is their future.
Downsize your living space, this applies to everybody including the young and the narcisstic "protesters". Most private energy use is tied to that. Living in a single family home or old farmhouse is generally the exact opposite.

And for the young: don't procreate. But of course that would create a full host of other issues.
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Old 26.10.2022, 11:36
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Re: Climate protests...

They're having fun over there in Vaud, a motorway exit was blocked this morning. The youth in Switzerland is desperate:

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https://twitter.com/Renovate_CH/stat...KPpGpY5QGfIXVw
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Old 26.10.2022, 13:01
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I am lecturing no-one- all I have said is that I understand why many young people are quite desperate, and turning to all sorts of forms of protest in desperation. Where have I lectured anyone?

I have taken 4 flights (well, 2 trips) in the last 10 years, and our main holiday this year was all by train to 4 countries. But this is not about me, so I would have never have mentionned this.
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LOL sorry if EasyJet offends. I use them all the time and it suits us fine- cheap and easy for short haul. What's the problem?

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Old 26.10.2022, 13:26
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Id like to see a little more local protests.

For example at the Emil Frey in Nyon who have their showroom lights on continuously 24/7.
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Old 26.10.2022, 14:29
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They're having fun over there in Vaud, a motorway exit was blocked this morning. The youth in Switzerland is desperate:

https://twitter.com/Renovate_CH/stat...KPpGpY5QGfIXVw
It's only a question of time until the reactions get violent. That'll also be when the idiots stop.
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Old 26.10.2022, 14:37
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It's only a question of time until the reactions get violent. That'll also be when the idiots stop.
First warning was a truck driver pushing people with the truck in Bern (Wankdorf). Second warning was a random guy pulling out of the street in Geneva. Third one won't be a warning.

There's also the possibility of accidents. Lots of tired or legally drugged drivers out there. I would place myself in the street hoping people won't make a mistake, it's hoping too much.
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Old 26.10.2022, 14:56
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Re: Climate protests...

This type of protests puts an extra burden on people who don't have a constructive way to react.

I'm a driver, a climate activist blocks the street and I'm stuck, what can I do to unlock the situation? Promise I won't drive anymore in life? Burn my car? Start singing? I'm just frustrated with no way out, and because I'm frustrated I want to do something now, possibly something that gets me home. And what did I do to deserve this? Just because I was driving? Trams were blocked as well.

I really don't like it from the beginning. Best case it's useless, worst case something bad happens.
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Re. "Renovators". First of all it's not very safe for the protesters themselves. Secondly: how efficient is it, really? On the other hand it wouldn't be for the first time in my life when I wait in a car for hours for some queue to slowly move on.. Yes, it is annoying but I think I'm just more resilient to this sort of frustrations than your average EFer. Provided I don't have to be at a certain time at some place, of course. So I won't argue with JackieH on this one..
I am more annoyed by the idiots who throw food at famous paintings, even if they are protected with glass etc. The gesture seems barbaric and it doesn't make any sense. This is definitely not going to bring any sympathy for their organisation and unfortunately neither for "their cause", whatever that might be.

JackieH: In my view it is important that people can and do protest but honestly? They can choose more intelligent ways to do it.

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Old 27.10.2022, 07:58
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Protesters brought parts of Munich to a standstill yesterday by gluing themselves to all four lanes on Odeonsplatz.
All it needed is for one Bavarian Wuchtmensch to lose it and these guys are roadkill.
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First warning was a truck driver pushing people with the truck in Bern (Wankdorf). Second warning was a random guy pulling out of the street in Geneva. Third one won't be a warning.

There's also the possibility of accidents. Lots of tired or legally drugged drivers out there. I would place myself in the street hoping people won't make a mistake, it's hoping too much.
If a protester gets killed, it will reduce CO2 emissions, so it's win-win for them
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Old 27.10.2022, 11:40
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Do I think that there is global warming? Yes.

Do I think it to be a concern? No.

Tom

I would like to add: do I think the current warming is man-made or can be fixed by man: No.


I see so many parallels between climate activists blindly following and believing the whole climate nonsence, and the Russian population following Putin. Lots of misinformation, gagging of opponents, religious belief in their own truths etc etc
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