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Dealers at Swiss stations

Maybe I just imagine it but the situation seems to have got a lot, lot worse since I arrived here in CH in 2015. In Lausanne, Vevey, YLB, elsewhere in Vaud. Find my path in and out of the station, even in nearby underpasses, or pathways, blocked off by groups of guys offering me something - without fear of recrimination in broad daylight. There is never bad aggression but itís really annoying and socially undesirable. Wish the police would do something about it, but guess in practical terms itís difficult. Thoughts?
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Old 19.11.2022, 17:23
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Wish the police would do something about it, but guess in practical terms itís difficult. Thoughts?
What did the police say when you reported the situation?
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Re: Dealers at Swiss stations

Thoughts?

Well for one it is crazy that the stuff these guys are selling is illegal. Mostly harmless and that that isnít is harmful for the user.

Legalise and tax the products. Win, win, win.
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Re: Dealers at Swiss stations

My only experience has been in Neuch‚tel. Once I went to a bar in city center, ordered a beer and everyone, literally everyone, was looking at me in silence. Eventually I went to the toilet and a guy offered me drugs. I politely said no, had another beer and left. Asked next morning in university about this strange place and everyone laughed. This bar is a known place for addicts and dealers. The police looks the other way precisely to minimize issues in train stations.

I have not seen anything related to drugs around Aarau train station. Maybe there's a bar nearby where everyone is observed and under control. I guess that unless someone is trying to sell half a kilo of opiates, police just works towards harm reduction.

PS. Geneva has a "drug place" near the train station. These places are aimed at both addicts and the whole public. So, no one dies by spending the night in the cold streets. Article in FR, use online translation https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/gene...-a-20-ans.html

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Legalise and tax the products. Win, win, win.
Cigarettes are legal and taxed in the U.K.

Three billion counterfeit cigarettes are sold every year - why? Because they are cheaper.

Drugs will still be sold in railway stations and other places if legalised. Organised crime will still be involved.

I sometimes wonder about the naivety of people on this forum...
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Find my path in and out of the station, even in nearby underpasses, or pathways, blocked off by groups of guys offering me wanting something - without fear of recrimination in broad daylight. There is never bad aggression but it’s really annoying and socially undesirable. Wish the police would do something about it, but guess in practical terms it’s difficult. Thoughts?
That's my experience in Basel. I find a straight "nein" generally works.

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Well for one it is crazy that the stuff these guys are selling is illegal. Mostly harmless and that that isn’t is harmful for the user.
Yeah, they don't exactly have quality control. And given the description it could be very harmful indeed.
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Re: Dealers at Swiss stations

Here in Zurich the Police are very proactive. A friend (lawyer, now a Federal Judge) was once stopped at a tram station and questioned by police on a bad hair day.

During the lockdown in my previous apartment, I had the view to the back of a major church here. It‘s directly next to a primary school. I noticed and reported what was clearly drug dealing going on, with literally young teenagers queuing to buy.

Whatever the general feelings on illegal drugs, I do not find it OK that dealing is carried out next to a school and in an otherwise family friendly and quiet neighbourhood.

The police immediately sent by a vehicle with about 6 police officers, blocked off the exit, and questioned the gathering - taking some of them with. The police then made very regular checks on the area around the church.

Clearly other neighbours spotted repeat activity within subsequent weeks - as sirens could be heard, and one could watch how the dealers tried to run away down the street. It was never a (seen) issue since.

Have been here since 1986, go through the ZH HBH regularly, and have personally never been accosted by a dealer.
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And given the description it could be very harmful indeed.
Because public health is important you can get your purchase tested:
https://en.saferparty.ch/angebote/drug-checking
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Cigarettes are legal and taxed in the U.K.

Three billion counterfeit cigarettes are sold every year - why? Because they are cheaper.

Drugs will still be sold in railway stations and other places if legalised. Organised crime will still be involved.

I sometimes wonder about the naivety of people on this forum...

The idea that 3 billion counterfeit cigarettes was mindblowing to me, but I looked it up and it was true. However, being the curious sort that I am, I continued to look at that is compared to around 23.65 billion cigarettes sold per year, or 11.26% of the total consumed.


It's not in any way how this works, but a reduction of people dealing at train stations by ~88% would be pretty significant, no?



That said, my state in the colonies legalized what is typically sold at train stations and the results have been fabulous. In addition to freeing up the police to pursue other criminal activities and the extra tax funds, other crimes such as property crimes have declined year over year. Other states have seen similar results, which is why legalization has been spreading across the country.


I'm sure Switzerland is more than happy to let Germany become the initial test case for legalization, but if results are positive, I don't see why a similar thing couldn't happen here.
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That said, my state in the colonies legalized what is typically sold at train stations and the results have been fabulous.

I'm sure Switzerland is more than happy to let Germany become the initial test case for legalization, but if results are positive, I don't see why a similar thing couldn't happen here.
Am also a curious sort. In which „ colony“ did you witness this - would be interesting to look up background info on the topic.
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Re: Dealers at Swiss stations

Of course the other thing is that if legalization goes ahead, the criminal gangs are not just going to pack up shop and go elsewhere.

What do the criminal gangs now do in your colony? Are we talking about Australia?
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Thanks. Used this forum some years ago but forgot my old username. Nice to see the retro 90s interface is still going strong. Interesting responses. I tend to agree with ZuriRollt. Lucky you living in Zurich. In socialist Vaud canton there’s obviously no advantage to be gained from reporting such behaviour - with these guys known to the police and hanging out openly in front of their cars, which do regular circuits around the station in Vevey for example, there is nothing done. Sorry to say as well but all these guys are from very specific countries too - and I guess it’s tricky to pursue anyone at a low level because they probably feel they have little to lose, the punishments aren’t so bad, and it isn’t as if they really care about the societal stigma given their position in Swiss life. But there I’m just speculating…
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Of course the other thing is that if legalization goes ahead, the criminal gangs are not just going to pack up shop and go elsewhere.

What do the criminal gangs now do in your colony? Are we talking about Australia?
Or Canada? Opinions are open there, and subject to a review since September. Doesn‘t look particularly good:

https://theconversation.com/legalizi...t-worse-191938


The official review:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...rs-2022-09-22/
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Re: Dealers at Swiss stations

I haven't been approached by dealers at any Swiss stations, definitely not in groups. Of course most stations I use are in Canton Zurich, and it sounds like the police respond fast to reports of drug dealing - is that just in Zurich city, ZuriRollt?
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Is that just in Zurich city, ZuriRollt?
Well, can‘t personally say. But daughters partner is a police officer in Canton Zurich (not City), and he says it is
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Thanks. Used this forum some years ago but forgot my old username. Nice to see the retro 90s interface is still going strong. Interesting responses. I tend to agree with ZuriRollt. Lucky you living in Zurich. In socialist Vaud canton thereís obviously no advantage to be gained from reporting such behaviour - with these guys known to the police and hanging out openly in front of their cars, which do regular circuits around the station in Vevey for example, there is nothing done. Sorry to say as well but all these guys are from very specific countries too - and I guess itís tricky to pursue anyone at a low level because they probably feel they have little to lose, the punishments arenít so bad, and it isnít as if they really care about the societal stigma given their position in Swiss life. But there Iím just speculatingÖ
Socialist Vaud? ROFL
Anyway, nobody in Vaud has offered me drugs, at the station or otherwise. Iíve seen it in Geneva, by the river, but it was low key.
Socialist Vaud. Thatís hysterical.
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Yeah, they don't exactly have quality control. And given the description it could be very harmful indeed.
no doubt the guys who smuggle drugs up their bums are consummate professionals who always prioritise their customers hygiene and wellbeing.
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Re: Dealers at Swiss stations

In Zurich the dealers used to (or do?) hang out on Langstrasse. I remember going there many many years ago to buy some grass, and the guy I approached there told me I was in the "heroin section" of the street, and should walk about 100 meters down the street to get to the grass section
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Socialist Vaud. That’s hysterical.
Or, socialist-washing for Nestlť

Back to topic, could all this be related to the ongoing construction work on the train station in Lausanne? Maybe a few narrower or more hidden tunnels, less lights, plenty of construction workers with special requirements for muscle pain, etc.

I don't think it's useless to contact the police. They may have a word with dealers and remind them there's no need offer to random people. If a customer needs something, this customer will find them wherever they are. It's not that the Swiss government and society like people doing drugs. But being pragmatic (harm reduction) is above being dogmatic (ODs, illness, social isolation).
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