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Re: School timetable is terrible don`t know if i am coming or going

Poor Sutter. Your hours spent happily sitting at the computer brightening our day are, for the moment, a thing of the past. It doesn't get better and might even get worse. A friend of mine with 3 children sometimes had one at school from 8 a.m.until 10 a.m., one from 9 a.m. until 11 a.m. and the third, you have guessed, from 10.00 a.m. until 12 a.m. And the first one had to be back at school just after 13.00!!! In those days, to add insult to injury, the morning muddle took place on Saturday too and there was also a winter time-table and a summer time-table - so all the music lessons etc. which one arranged for the summer half year, had to be rearranged for the winter. The 'block times' which have been introduced in some places in Switzerland are but a tiny, tiny step in the right direction.
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Old 21.08.2008, 15:47
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I had thought it was the whole of Kanton Zurich that changed to block times. Still happy to have block times where I live .
You are so lucky, my friend moved to another village only 15 minutes drive away, and her daughter as block times so why not this school
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Thanks for nothing Dave, i start a thread, for help, and as per usual your post is not very helpful.

I want my Daughter to have a proper sleep routine instead of 1 day she as to be up at 6.15am, and another at 7.45am

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Well Sutter should she ever go to university she will recoup all those lost hours of sleep.
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Re: School timetable is terrible don`t know if i am coming or going

Maybe this could help a litte: In our village there is a Pedibus ("walking bus") that takes your children to school. You just have to drop your kid off at the bus station and then he or she will be walked to school, with one or two mums walking with them. You will have to do one school run yourself, but at least it would save you having to do all the other drop-offs. You can find more info (in German) here: http://www.verkehrsclub.ch/de/politi.../schulweg.html,
It seems fairly easy to start your own Pedibus, provided that there are enough other families participating.
Thank God we have block times here!

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Maybe this could help a litte: In our village there is a Pedibus ("walking bus") that takes your children to school. You just have to drop your kid off at the bus station and then he or she will be walked to school, with one or two mums walking with them. You will have to do one school run yourself, but at least it would save you having to do all the other drop-offs. You can find more info (in German) here: http://www.verkehrsclub.ch/de/politi.../schulweg.html,
It seems fairly easy to start your own Pedibus, provided that there are enough other families participating.
Thank God we have block times here!
Yes we have worked out a schedule (was not easy because of my son`s timetable as i have to be here for him at home) it is still a pain to try, and think where, and when i have to be i know it will get better with time, but still 7.20am (as she as to be 10 minutes earlier is still way to early)

Another point is that i can only do things like going to the park, or visiting friends with the children for play dates only on a wednesday because by the time we are all at home the other days it is to late, because i have to cook dinner bath the children, mand get them in bed early so they can be up early in the morning.
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No prob. Many people suffer under these stupid arrangements and they seem to serve no useful purpose. I can't believe even the teacher wants irregular hours.
When planning the timetable the teachers would have chosen to start earlier than to stay later. Like many people in my workplace, the earlier they can start the earlier they can leave. Many of my Swiss colleagues would be turning up at 6.45am every day and leaving at 3.45pm if they had the choice.
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Ok my daughter started school last week, and my son KG, and i feel all i am doing is looking at my watch to see where i have to be, or who as to be where, or who will be coming home. Here is my kids timetables.

Daughter

Monday 8.15 until 10.50 then 13.45 until 15.15
Tuesday 9.00 until 11.35 then 13.45 until 15.15
Wednesday 9.00 until 11.35 then free
Thursday 7.30 until 10.50 then free
Friday 7.30 until 9.45 then 13.45 until 15.15

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Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday All the same time 8.30 until 11.30 then free
Thursday 8.30 until 10.45 then 13.45 until 15.15
Friday 8.30 until 10.45 then free

They both have to be there 10 minutes earlier my daughter as about 25 minutes to walk, and my son as about 10 miuntes to walk.

I am running around like an headless chicken, does anybody else have timetables like my daughter, i am schocked for the 1st class to have such a late start on 1 day, and then the next so early she as no sleeping pattern as i am not going to get her up ar 6.15am every morning so she can be at school at 9am that is not fair to her

If i go to the school does anybody think it will make a difference, and they would change it from 7.30 until 8.30.

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Welcome to the world of swiss schooling sutter and don't forget the telefonkette for when the teacher chucks a sickie,no stand in teachers here, so your totally f**ked if you both work.
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Old 21.08.2008, 22:03
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Welcome to the world of swiss schooling sutter and don't forget the telefonkette for when the teacher chucks a sickie,no stand in teachers here, so your totally f**ked if you both work.
Btw i can not work because of the timetables, but if you read some of the other posts they have block timetables not crappy ones my daughter as

In the UK they had stand in teachers and i am thinking they have here also stand in teachers don`t they?
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I am running around like an headless chicken, does anybody else have timetables like my daughter, i am schocked for the 1st class to have such a late start on 1 day, and then the next so early she as no sleeping pattern as i am not going to get her up ar 6.15am every morning so she can be at school at 9am that is not fair to her
Unfortunately I can't offer any help, but I do offer my sympathies. That is, without a doubt, one of the dumbest systems I've ever seen in my life (and having spent some time working with Government IT systems, that's not a claim I make lightly).

With that said, how old are your kids ? I was walking myself to and from school from about 7 years old, when both my parents worked. Admittedly this was 20+ years ago, and not the cottonwool generations of today, but still...
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Unfortunately I can't offer any help, but I do offer my sympathies. That is, without a doubt, one of the dumbest systems I've ever seen in my life (and having spent some time working with Government IT systems, that's not a claim I make lightly).

With that said, how old are your kids ? I was walking myself to and from school from about 7 years old, when both my parents worked. Admittedly this was 20+ years ago, and not the cottonwool generations of today, but still...
My Daughter his 7, and my Son is 4.

I agree it is such a dumbest timetable i have every seen.
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Re: School timetable is terrible don`t know if i am coming or going

Sutter, you should be in bed getting fit for tomorrow.
I know what your situation is like though, been there, done that, bought the T-shirt and you really have my sympathy. At least in my case, and I believe in yours too, we were/are not dependent on a second income and going frantic when school was 'called off' after we had finally got all the coming and going sorted out. In the Aargau, they used to tell the kids at 5 p.m. that there would be no school the next day because of some meeting of the teachers; once when we lived there they sent the KG children home including one 5 year old because the KG teacher was ill. No-one checked whether the lad's parents would be there, and they weren't.
It was an 'old-fashioned' village and Mums just didn't work! In theory!
Wait until one of yours it at senior school - perhaps then they won't even have the same holiday as each other. What a prospect!
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Absolute Land of Mad timetabling, Sutter, really sorry for you.

Here in Vaud we've also got block time, so my kids have 8.30-11.30am, then 2-3.30pm, with the usual Wed pm off and an occasional extension of the morning to 12 noon if my son's extra French class is on that day.

I shall now officially stop moaning about the ridiculously long lunch break and just be thankful for what I've got!

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Re: School timetable is terrible don`t know if i am coming or going

I usually lurk in these forums but this subject is so close to my heart at the moment that I had to come out of hiding to sympathise with you. Our school timetables here in Fribourg are slightly less mad (i.e. no 7.30am starts) but still infuriating for families with two working parents and no extended family nearby to pick up the slack.

Unfortunately, given the rapidity with which things change here in Switzerland, my kids will probably be finished school before the powers that be actually get around to adopting a continuous school day.
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When planning the timetable the teachers would have chosen to start earlier than to stay later. Like many people in my workplace, the earlier they can start the earlier they can leave. Many of my Swiss colleagues would be turning up at 6.45am every day and leaving at 3.45pm if they had the choice.

Not me!

If I had a choice, I'd start no earlier than 10.00. I'm quite happy to work till late in the evening (so long as the pubs are still open when I leave, which they always are here), but mornings, with the usual state of my head and stomach, are a nightmare.

Never mind. I'll be getting plenty of sleep tonight... not got to be up till 5.45.
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I fully agree in England i used to go to school at 9am, and finish at 3.15 so the mummy`s could go to work

Sutter, you must have figured out by now that work is a 4 letter word for a mum here. You are meant to stay at home and keep to a precise schedule with the help of a Swiss watch. You are supposed to be up before the sun comes up, and your kids are expected to have a hot lunch. I had the teacher calling me asking me why our kids didn't have a hot lunch (she knew I went to work) so in the morning the kids had oatmeal for breakfast and I made sure they told the teacher so, and explained to her that our kids preferred eating sandwiches for lunch which they made themselves which I informed the teacher taught them how to be independent. She was speechless.

The best advice I can offer you to give you some relief is to organize something with some other mums where your daughter or son might go to a friend's house after school for lunch, and then you reciprocate. This gives each mom a bit of a break.

From what I recall, the school schedule for our kids was more consistent, but we had Saturday school at the time (better be careful here...don't want my age showing)

If you are not a morning person, you are going to struggle. Somehow the kids had little trouble getting up early, even on dark winter mornings.

Good luck, I am sure you will get used to what seems like chaos.
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Has anyone seen a justification ? A good place to start methinks.

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Btw i can not work because of the timetables, but if you read some of the other posts they have block timetables not crappy ones my daughter as

In the UK they had stand in teachers and i am thinking they have here also stand in teachers don`t they?
Our two have the same timetables as yours and now our school has brought in the two classes together system, ie. 3s and 4s together, our son has nearly 30 kids in his class. They don't replace a teacher on the first sick day, only the second onwards, well here anyway.
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Our two have the same timetables as yours and now our school has brought in the two classes together system, ie. 3s and 4s together, our son has nearly 30 kids in his class. They don't replace a teacher on the first sick day, only the second onwards, well here anyway.
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I see you are also in the Kanton Thurgua, so maybe it is a Thurgua thing. I feel for you also it is not easy, how old are your children?

Why have they brought 2 classes together surley they are at different learning levels.
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Sutter, you should be in bed getting fit for tomorrow.
I know what your situation is like though, been there, done that, bought the T-shirt and you really have my sympathy. At least in my case, and I believe in yours too, we were/are not dependent on a second income and going frantic when school was 'called off' after we had finally got all the coming and going sorted out. In the Aargau, they used to tell the kids at 5 p.m. that there would be no school the next day because of some meeting of the teachers; once when we lived there they sent the KG children home including one 5 year old because the KG teacher was ill. No-one checked whether the lad's parents would be there, and they weren't.
It was an 'old-fashioned' village and Mums just didn't work! In theory!
Wait until one of yours it at senior school - perhaps then they won't even have the same holiday as each other. What a prospect!
Chin up!

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